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some sentences im doing im trying to see if im doing them right

1)"The sun is calming"
   Tsawke maw<us>ey<lu
   tsawke mawuseylu

2)"My bow is worthy"
   Oe<l tsko<ti pxan<lu
   Oel tskoti pxanlu

3)"my Banshee fly's fast on the wind"
    Oe Ikran<l tswayon<yä nìwin hufwe<lu
    Oe Ikranl tswayonyä nìwin hufwelu
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Quote from: Nawm_taronyu on May 17, 2010, 11:02:25 AM1)"The sun is calming"
   tsawke mawuseylu

2)"My bow is worthy"
   Oel tskoti pxanlu

3)"my Banshee fly's fast on the wind"
   Oe Ikranl tswayon nìwin hufwelu

1) Tsawke meykusawey lu Tsawke mawey seyki
Sun calm-CAUS-ADJ is Sun calm-V-CAUS
  • Our verb, lu, does not become a part of the other words.
  • Infixes are for verbs only.
  • The <us> infix, among many others, goes in the second to last syllable. Mood infixes like <ei> and <äng> go in the last. Please read the beginning of Chapter 5 in Na'vi in a Nutshell.
  • I'm not really sure, but I don't think musawey means calming the way English uses it. What we really mean is that the sun makes other things calm. Because of this I think the <eyk> infix is used. Nevermind, mawey isn't a verb silly me.
  • Maybe mawey seyki makes calm is what we're looking for? They we can say Tsawke mawey seyki The sun makes calm.

2) Oeyä tsko pxan lu
I-GEN bow worthy is
  • Our verb, lu, does not merge with the other words.
  • The -ìl/-l and -it/-ti/-t endings are not used with lu because lu is an intransitive verb.
  • The -yä ending is called the Genitive case. It creates words like my/his/hers/ours/Eywa's/Bob's/Jane's.

3) Oeyä ikran tswayon nìwin mì hufwe
I-GEN ikran fly fast on wind
  • The genitive case can only be used on nouns. You spelled flies wrong (fly's) then you used the genitive case to try to directly translate your misplaced 's. The genitive is used for the concept of possession. Because of this it needs to be used at the end of oe I so that it becomes oeyä my.
  • The noun ikran does not need the -ìl ending because fly is used intransitively. The -ìl and -l case markers are for when one noun is 'verbing' another noun. But for the future (when you do need -ìl/-l) remember that you use -l when the noun ends in a vowel and you use -ìl otherwise.
  • I'm not sure where hufwelu comes from. There is no place for lu in this sentence. You're looking for on/in.

Edit: answered #3 and changed #1 because it was wrong.

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Quote from: Nawm_taronyu on May 17, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
1)"The sun is calming"
   Tsawke maw<us>ey<lu
   tsawke mawuseylu

I don't know what this means. But if you mean:"the sun is calm" (which hasn't really got a good meaning either) it has to be: "Tsawke lu mawey"   or "Tsawke amawey"  or "Maweya tsawke"
The "a" replaces the "lu" so that the secound and the third version aren't whole sentences but "the calm sun"
why this <us>? Mawey already is an adjective and not a verb that has to be turned into an adjective.

Quote from: Nawm_taronyu on May 17, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
2)"My bow is worthy"
   Oe<l tsko<ti pxan<lu
   Oel tskoti pxanlu

This must be "oeyä tsko pxan lu"=literally "My bow worthy is."
The suffix "-yä" (or "-ä" when the noun ends with a consonant) turns the word into a possessive pronoun (in this case)
You don't need any ergative or accusative forms. They are important when you want to say that the subject(ergative) does something to the direct object (accusative) like for example "Oel ngat yìm"= "I you to bind"="I bind you". But you don't need this forms when there isn't any direct object "Oe yìm"="I bind"

Quote from: Nawm_taronyu on May 17, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
3)"my Banshee fly's fast on the wind"
   Oe Ikran<l tswayon<yä nìwin hufwe<lu
   Oe Ikranl tswayonyä nìwin hufwelu

I think this has to be(but I'm not sure because I haven't got any practice in longer sentences than from above) "Oeyä ikranìl tsawyon nìnìwin sìnhufwel"=literally "my Ikran to fly fast(adverb) on-wind"
I know for sure that your ergative form at "Ikran" is wrong. when the subject ends with a consonant it has to be "-ìl", not "-l".So it's "Ikranìl". "-l" is only used when the subject ends with a vocal. the suffix "-yä" has to be with the pronoun "oe", because "to fly" cannot own an "ikran".
The "lu" is incorrect and I put a prefix before "hufwel" which replaces the words "on the". "sìn-" is the prefix for "on" or "onto".
I also put a prefix before "nìwin" -->"nìnìwin", that turns the adjective fast into an adverb, which is needed here, because you want to describe how the verb "to fly" is.

I hope this answer is of help.
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Quote from: Pxia Sngap on May 17, 2010, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Nawm_taronyu on May 17, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
2)"My bow is worthy"
   Oe<l tsko<ti pxan<lu
   Oel tskoti pxanlu
This must be "oeyä tsko pxan lu"=literally "My bow worthy is."
The suffix "-yä" (or "-ä" when the noun ends with a consonant) turns the word into a possessive pronoun (in this case)
You don't need any ergative or accusative forms. They are important when you want to say that the subject(ergative) does something to the direct object (accusative) like for example "Oel ngat yìm"= "I you to bind"="I bind you". But you don't need this forms when there isn't any direct object "Oe yìm"="I bind"
All correct, except that word order is not fixed to SOV. My bow is worthy could be lu tsko oeyä pxan, or any other order, as long as tsko and oeyä are next to each other.
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Quote from: Nawm_taronyu on May 17, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
3)"my Banshee fly's fast on the wind"
   Oe Ikran<l tswayon<yä nìwin hufwe<lu
   Oe Ikranl tswayonyä nìwin hufwelu

I think this has to be(but I'm not sure because I haven't got any practice in longer sentences than from above) "Oeyä ikranìl tsawyon nìnìwin sìnhufwel"=literally "my Ikran to fly fast(adverb) on-wind"
I know for sure that your ergative form at "Ikran" is wrong. when the subject ends with a consonant it has to be "-ìl", not "-l".So it's "Ikranìl". "-l" is only used when the subject ends with a vocal. the suffix "-yä" has to be with the pronoun "oe", because "to fly" cannot own an "ikran".
The "lu" is incorrect and I put a prefix before "hufwel" which replaces the words "on the". "sìn-" is the prefix for "on" or "onto".
I also put a prefix before "nìwin" -->"nìnìwin", that turns the adjective fast into an adverb, which is needed here, because you want to describe how the verb "to fly" is.
Here you have some errors. Firstly, adpositions are never prefixes. They can be stand alone words in front of the word they are, er, adpositioning. Or they can be a suffix on the same word.
Also, nìwin is already an adverb. Win is the adjective.
Finally, I'd not use sìn here, because its meaning is "on top of". Fa would be appropriate.
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At the moment for calming i'd proba ly use sleyku over seyki.
Tsawkel fkot sleyku mawey.

Alternatively you could use a Na'vi idiom and perhaps word it as...
Ta tsawke mawey teya si oer.
From the sun, calm fills me.
Or perhaps even...
Ta tsawke fpom teya si oer.
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4) "To those who bring me joy in life"
     Tute<ru zamunge oe<yä fpom<ti tìrey<ei
     Tuteru zamunge oeyä fpomti tìreyei

(keep im mind im just practicing and trying to figure out what im doing wrong if i am doing it wrong)

also trying longer sentences
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You need a "a" for the who in that noun phrase (it's not really a sentence as there's no matrix (read main) clause).

Also, oeyä is my, me is normally oet(i) although in this case the me is actually to me so it should be oer(u).

In is mì not ei so in life is tìreymì.

It should also be be fpom-it not fpom-ti as well.

So the complete noun phrase would be:

tute-r(u) a zamunge oe-r(u) fpom-it tìrey-mì
tuter(u) a zamunge oer(u) fpomit tìreymì
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