Sentence check for dialog

Started by ShadowedSin, February 02, 2010, 02:21:55 AM

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Nga lu ti'eveng skxawng!
You are a childish moron!

Note the accent was refusing to reproduce itself on the forum I'm using, so the "i" in front of "t" is accented.
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omängum fra'uti

'eveng is already a noun, so tì does not make a whole lot of sense with it.

For childish, you could do le'eveng, then render it either le'evenga skxawng, or skxawng le'eveng.
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ShadowedSin

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So adjectival prefix is le? What does "A" ad at the end?

Oh so is "a" added when the adjective form precedes the modified noun?
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omängum fra'uti

Exactly, the "a" there is the attributive, marking the noun which the adjective is being linked to.  And yes, the le- prefix produces an adjective form.

When the adjective form of a non-adjective word follows the noun it is modifying, the a- an adjective would normally take is not required, which is why it's le-'eveng after but le-'eveng-a before.

le-'eveng-a skxawng
skxawng le-'eveng
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ShadowedSin

Thanks a lot I'm going to remember that :)

So are markers only applied when the modifier/specifier is placed before the modified word?
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omängum fra'uti

No, it's normally always placed in attributive cases.  It's just when the le- prefix is used to create an adverb and it follows the modified noun that it can be ommitted.

For example...

exa-a kxetse
Blue tail
kxetsea-ean
Blue tail

Adjectives don't have to be used attributively, and often when "lu" is in use, they aren't.  Consider the difference in meaning between using it non-attributively and attributively with "lu"...

kxetse ean lu
Tail is blue
kxetse a-ean lu
Blue-tail is
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ShadowedSin

So:

If childish were to go after moron it would be.

Skxawng-a le'eveng? Or am I misreading what you are telling me?
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omängum fra'uti

Other way, and the attributive goes with the adjective, not the noun.
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ShadowedSin

Wait, so since the adjective is placed on the right and there is already a prefix, a- is not necessary?

I guess what I'm trying to say is why is it:

le'evenga skxawng

and

skxawng le'eveng

and not skxawng le'evenga

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wm.annis

Quote from: ShadowedSin on February 02, 2010, 11:24:37 AMand not skxawng le'evenga

The -a- goes onto the adjective on whichever side the noun is on.  Because le- already says "adjective!" it's redundant to use skxawng ale'eveng (but permitted).

ShadowedSin

Okay so otherwise in a clause the modifier is marked by -a- corresponding to the side of which the modified noun occurs.

Sorry if that took a bit or me to understand.
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wm.annis

Quote from: ShadowedSin on February 02, 2010, 11:29:59 AMSorry if that took a bit or me to understand.

No need to apologize!  It's an odd thing.  I've studied many fairly obscure languages in my time, and this particular construction was a surprise to me, too (the flexibility of it, I mean).

ShadowedSin

Alrighty, so as I understand when a noun is turned into an adjective it makes no sense to attach the a- prefix to it since it when placed after another noun.
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ShadowedSin

Double checking another phrase.

Oeri ontu teya längu ngayä fahew!
My nose is filled with your stench!

Is this correct?
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Sanmäkx

My only correction is ngayä --> ngeyä. Everything else looks solid.

ShadowedSin

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Ah, so I'm trying slight more advanced sentences. I hope this one is within a semblance of syntax.

Nga lu ke pereng oe tìngayrìri

You are not telling me the truth.
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omängum fra'uti

Personal pronouns seem to be an exception to that rule, the final vowel gets replaced with an "e".  So po->peyä, nga->ngeyä.  Even consonant ending words get the -e treatment, as in oeng->oengeyä.
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ShadowedSin

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on February 04, 2010, 04:46:58 AM
Personal pronouns seem to be an exception to that rule, the final vowel gets replaced with an "e".  So po->peyä, nga->ngeyä.  Even consonant ending words get the -e treatment, as in oeng->oengeyä.

Yeah I Noticed the e replacement when I read through the grammar. So is my current sentence grammatical at all?
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omängum fra'uti

Well first stepping back, you need an adposition in the smell sentence...  "Ta fahew oeyä" - FROM your smell.

Moving on to your other sentence, ditch the "lu", it's not doing anything for the sentence.  Unless you're going to be talking about truth for awhile, ditch the topic as well.  And you'll need some case endings...  Nga is what's doing the not telling so it should be ngal.  The truth is what is being told, so it should be tìngayt.  And oe is what it is being told to so it should be oeru.  Finally, when Frommer negates the verb, he seems to negate the subject too.  I'm not sure if that's a requirement, but it wouldn't hurt.  If anything it would emphasize the negativity.

Ngal ke pereng oeru kea tìngayt
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Quote from: omängum fra'uti on February 02, 2010, 04:09:32 AM

exa-a kxetse
Blue tail


Ok, i dont usually post, but i think i missed something recently. Why is it exa? there is no e ejective is there? Im pretty lost, unless it was a typo.

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