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Offline kaltxi Angtsik

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kaltxi ma aysmukan,

Oel ayngati kameie -

Ok, I'm confused by something Tsutey said. When Col Quaritch flew up to the remote site and pulled the plug on Grace and Jake, Tsutey pulled out his knife and said

Tse'a srak? (See?)

Fipo lu vrrtep a mi sokx atslep! (He's a demon in a false body)

Tsun Ke rivey! (He shouldn't live)


It appears that he's leniting the word tokx to sokx and if so, I don't understand why since it's standing all by itself. Am I just a confused noob or was there some deeper magic - or did Tsutey misspeak?

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edit: rearranged some injured Na'vi sentences
« Last Edit: November 02, 2010, 01:06:15 am by kaltxi Angtsik »
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I once thought that it was the plural for "bodies", and was trying to think about how that would make sense...

...but then I realized it was merely because "mì+" is a leniting adposition, which turns "tokx" into "sokx" without pluralizing it at all.

« Last Edit: November 02, 2010, 12:29:20 am by omängum fra'uti »
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It's worth noting that most of the script on the wiki is transcription by the community, and so there are errors there which were introduced in the process.

Though "mì sokx" is not one of them, as has been noted.
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Ah, so it's just that mi+ is a leniting adposition... hmm.

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That's , not mi... Don't confuse the i or ì, sometimes they have great difference.

Fìpo lu vrrtep a mì sokx atsleng!
He's a demon in a false body!

In this case, it makes sense,
if you change it into mi, then probably not :P



And if a word without ay- following a leniting adposition, it must be singular
« Last Edit: November 02, 2010, 03:18:24 am by Ikran Ahiyìk »
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And if a word without ay- following a leniting adposition, it must be singular
Not always.  If the context seems like it should be plural, it probably is.  If it's not clear from the context, THEN assume it is singular.  (Re-read what you linked to.)
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That means it has to refer the meaning of the whole sentence, or paragraph. Right?



(Sorry for another misleading post..)
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That's , not mi... Don't confuse the i or ì, sometimes they have great difference.

Fìpo lu vrrtep a mì sokx atsleng!
He's a demon in a false body!

In this case, it makes sense,
if you change it into mi, then probably not :P


Understood - I just haven't gotten around to figuring out how to type the "mi" with the accent mark on top.

German , for instance, allows an alternate spelling without special characters, for instance, "ae" represents an "a "with an umlaut over it - how cool would it be it there were a way to represent Na'vi words with plain ascii as well...

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That's , not mi... Don't confuse the i or ì, sometimes they have great difference.

Fìpo lu vrrtep a mì sokx atsleng!
He's a demon in a false body!

In this case, it makes sense,
if you change it into mi, then probably not :P


Understood - I just haven't gotten around to figuring out how to type the "mi" with the accent mark on top.
ALT+0236 for PC's, I don't know about Mac's though. You can find accent codes for Mac's here
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That's , not mi... Don't confuse the i or ì, sometimes they have great difference.

Fìpo lu vrrtep a mì sokx atsleng!
He's a demon in a false body!

In this case, it makes sense,
if you change it into mi, then probably not :P


Understood - I just haven't gotten around to figuring out how to type the "mi" with the accent mark on top.
ALT+0236 for PC's, I don't know about Mac's though. You can find accent codes for Mac's here

The skxawng uses linux though, so most of the pc tricks don't apply - I'll have to google an answer when I get a few minutes to spare.
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That's , not mi... Don't confuse the i or ì, sometimes they have great difference.

Fìpo lu vrrtep a mì sokx atsleng!
He's a demon in a false body!

In this case, it makes sense,
if you change it into mi, then probably not :P


Understood - I just haven't gotten around to figuring out how to type the "mi" with the accent mark on top.
ALT+0236 for PC's, I don't know about Mac's though. You can find accent codes for Mac's here

The skxawng uses linux though, so most of the pc tricks don't apply - I'll have to google an answer when I get a few minutes to spare.
Ah, good old Linux. I've never used it, but I've heard plenty of good things about it. I suppose you could always just copy and paste the ì from somewhere else, I do that when I forget the code.
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I suppose you could always just copy and paste the ì from somewhere else, I do that when I forget the code.

Or you could click the handy button the forum provides. :D Right under 'change color' when you're posting..........

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That's , not mi... Don't confuse the i or ì, sometimes they have great difference.

Fìpo lu vrrtep a mì sokx atsleng!
He's a demon in a false body!

In this case, it makes sense,
if you change it into mi, then probably not :P


Understood - I just haven't gotten around to figuring out how to type the "mi" with the accent mark on top.
ALT+0236 for PC's, I don't know about Mac's though. You can find accent codes for Mac's here

The skxawng uses linux though, so most of the pc tricks don't apply - I'll have to google an answer when I get a few minutes to spare.

1: enable compose key in your keyboard settings (I map it to left win)
2: type compose, backtick (don't have it on my phone, but the key to the left of 1), i (all individually - don't hold any keys)
3: Get an ì

If you want ä you can do compose, ", a... the general rule is to press compose followed by two chars that if overtyped would look a bit like the char you want.
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Don't forget also Ä, Ì, and the symbols °, «, »

for PC they are ALT+0196, ALT+0204, ALT+0176, ALT+0171, ALT+0187, but I don't know about Linux... :P
Try to find them, they are common in Na'vi (human typing)
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Ä is compose, ", A (shift + a)
Ì is compose, backtick, I
the degree sign is compose, o, o
the double angle brackets are compose, then the single angle bracket twice.
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The skxawng uses linux though, so most of the pc tricks don't apply - I'll have to google an answer when I get a few minutes to spare.

Hey kaltxì Angtsik -
If you find the accent codes for Linux, let me know. 
We're putting together a handbook that will have all kinds of stuff for new users.  That will be helpful.
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The skxawng uses linux though, so most of the pc tricks don't apply - I'll have to google an answer when I get a few minutes to spare.

Hey kaltxì Angtsik -
If you find the accent codes for Linux, let me know. 
We're putting together a handbook that will have all kinds of stuff for new users.  That will be helpful.
ta TunVrrtep

I posted how earlier in this thread
[21:42:56] <@Muzer> Apple products used to be good, if expensive
[21:42:59] <@Muzer> now they are just expensive

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The skxawng uses linux though, so most of the pc tricks don't apply - I'll have to google an answer when I get a few minutes to spare.

Hey kaltxì Angtsik -
If you find the accent codes for Linux, let me know. 
We're putting together a handbook that will have all kinds of stuff for new users.  That will be helpful.
ta TunVrrtep

I posted how earlier in this thread

Irayo Muzer, Irayo TunVrrtep!
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The skxawng uses linux though, so most of the pc tricks don't apply - I'll have to google an answer when I get a few minutes to spare.

Hey kaltxì Angtsik -
If you find the accent codes for Linux, let me know. 
We're putting together a handbook that will have all kinds of stuff for new users.  That will be helpful.
ta TunVrrtep

I posted how earlier in this thread

LOL I didn't read down far enough.

Do you have the Mac codes too Muzer?
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I suppose you could always just copy and paste the ì from somewhere else, I do that when I forget the code.

Or you could click the handy button the forum provides. :D Right under 'change color' when you're posting..........
Irayo Ekirä, Irayo TxepTex'lan. Set tsun tivam: Fipo lu vrrtep a mì sokx atsleng!

Note - in short, I didn't recognize mì sokx as a lenition because I somehow had the impression that lenition only occurred when the adposition is "connected" to the lenition candidate - as in tawtute -> fayswatute or tsmuke -> aysmuke.

In hindsight that was dumb, since a spoken language wouldn't really make a distinction between an "attached" leniting adposition and one that was merely adjacent to the word...
« Last Edit: November 04, 2010, 05:34:52 pm by kaltxi Angtsik »
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