Unknown words

Started by Ska'ayu Vrrtep, January 26, 2010, 08:53:18 PM

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Ska'ayu Vrrtep

Kaltxì, I couldnt find these words in any of the dictionaries and I couldnt figure out what they were in the context.

tsayuyä

horen

keyeyit

horenit - which I assume is the acc. for horen

suter

kivin

I saw all of these on the intermediate forum here http://forum.learnnavi.org/intermediate/nang-ayoeng-omum-ninavi-a-fiu-nitxan-latem/

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Quote from: Ska'ayu Txep on January 26, 2010, 08:53:18 PM
Kaltxì, I couldnt find these words in any of the dictionaries and I couldnt figure out what they were in the context.

tsayuyä

horen

keyeyit

horenit - which I assume is the acc. for horen

suter

kivin

I saw all of these on the intermediate forum here http://forum.learnnavi.org/intermediate/nang-ayoeng-omum-ninavi-a-fiu-nitxan-latem/

Irayo frapo!

I'm assuming that you could not find them because of things like infixes/suffixes/prefixes or lenition

I don't know every word in the dictionary yet but the first word has the -yä suffix on it and the others seem to be lenited.
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dky.tehkingd.u

#2
Yeah Frommer himself has even addressed the fact that it can be challenging to recognize root words in highly conjugated forms.

Edit: Though it seems that even that first word without the -yä doesn't seem to be in the dictionary.  ???


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suomichris

Quote from: dky.tehkingd.u on January 26, 2010, 09:33:55 PM
Yeah Frommer himself has even addressed the fact that it can be challenging to recognize root words in highly conjugated forms.
Ah, com'on, they ain't THAT hard.  I'm not even going to go look any of this stuff, and show you THE POWER OF PHONOLOGY *cue themesong*

tsayuyä  - I don't know about this one... :/

horen/horen(-it) - Lenition; try "ay+" and "koren."

keyey(-it) - This looks like a typo for "kxeyey," "error, mistake."

sute(-r) - Dative /r/ and lenition: "ay+" and "tute"

k<iv>in - <iv> subjunctive, verb "kin," "need."

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Txontaw

The closest thing I can find for the first word;

ts<ay>u-yä

tsu isn't in the dictionary, but tsun is, perhaps it's a shortening?

Either that or it's misspelled.
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omängum fra'uti

tsayuyä
tsa + ay + 'u + yä
that-thing-PL-GEN

horen
(ay) + koren
rule-PL

keyeyit
(ay) + kxeye + it
mistake-PL-ACC

horenit
(ay) + koren + it
rule-PL-ACC

suter
(ay) + tute + r
person-PL-DAT

kivin
k<iv>in
need-SBJ
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Txontaw

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on January 26, 2010, 09:51:05 PM
tsayuyä
tsa + ay + 'u + yä
that-thing-PL-GEN

horen
(ay) + koren
rule-PL

keyeyit
(ay) + kxeye + it
mistake-PL-ACC

horenit
(ay) + koren + it
rule-PL-ACC

suter
(ay) + tute + r
person-PL-DAT

kivin
k<iv>in
need-SBJ

Well, I was close.
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suomichris

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on January 26, 2010, 09:51:05 PM
keyeyit
(ay) + kxeye + it
mistake-PL-ACC
Dammit!  See?  If I had just gone with phonology, instead of looking at the word as being wrong, it would have been so obvious!!!!!!

Phonology!

omängum fra'uti

Quote from: suomichris on January 26, 2010, 10:12:58 PM
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on January 26, 2010, 09:51:05 PM
keyeyit
(ay) + kxeye + it
mistake-PL-ACC
Dammit!  See?  If I had just gone with phonology, instead of looking at the word as being wrong, it would have been so obvious!!!!!!

Phonology!
Ayoeng nìwotx si.... keyey. :D

"Tsayu" may not be easy to pick out for us, but I think spoken it will be easier to  hear.  (That is, assuming it is even a valid word.  I derived tsa+ay = tsay from fì + ay = fay.)
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Ska'ayu Vrrtep

Irayo!

I couldnt find some of these words in the dictionaries... Is there another reference that I can look at for these words?

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Taronyu

Quote from: Ska'ayu Txep on January 26, 2010, 10:28:01 PM
Irayo!

I couldnt find some of these words in the dictionaries... Is there another reference that I can look at for these words?

The best you have, currently, is my dictionary. Look in my signature.

Ska'ayu Vrrtep

Your Dictionary is my main source. I must have overlooked the words..

Irayo!
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