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Re: Various questions
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2010, 06:30:58 am »
It is impossible to have lention on the second word if the form is "Noun a-adj" ...

After an adposition, lenition occurs on whatever word follows, regardless of its word class (i.e., if it's the noun or the adjective).

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Ìlä sute atxur :)
Ìlä tura tute ;)

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Re: Various questions
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2010, 06:37:43 am »
Yeah, I mean the third one is wrong (forgot to add * ...)
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Re: Various questions
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2010, 06:45:25 am »
Yeah, I mean the third one is wrong (forgot to add * ...)

Right.  Nothing is allowed to intrude between a noun and an attributive adjective (this came up when I asked Frommer a question about adverb positioning on his blog).

It's still an open question about how a suffixed adposition would work in this phrase: tute atxur.  If suffixed adpositions are nearly cases, *tutehu atxur will be ok.  I have no idea how we should view *tute atxurhu.  I suspect the first from is better, but we'll need a ruling from Frommer for this.
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Re: Various questions
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2010, 06:50:30 am »
They are related to the main part of a phrase, like the case suffixes, agree with the first form.
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Re: Various questions
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2010, 05:15:21 pm »
It's still an open question about how a suffixed adposition would work in this phrase: tute atxur.  If suffixed adpositions are nearly cases, *tutehu atxur will be ok.  I have no idea how we should view *tute atxurhu.  I suspect the first from is better, but we'll need a ruling from Frommer for this.

Way back in the Ma Sempul response, Frommer wrote this:

   Slä nìawnomum, zene oe 'awsiteng tìkangkem sivi fohu a Uniltìrantokxit sì kifkeyit Eywa'evengä zamolunge awngar.

Since a and -a- are basically the same thing, we may already have this ruling.

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Re: Various questions
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2010, 05:23:30 pm »
Via the wiki someone let me know we have a perfect example in the Earth Day message: fìtrrmì letsranten.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2010, 05:29:06 pm by wm.annis »
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