[SOLVED] So, the computer is build, however, startup problems.

Started by Tsamsiyu92, December 18, 2010, 08:02:37 AM

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Tsamsiyu92

I am quite frustrated as not everything turns out as planned. I have wired everything according to the instructions from several YT videos and what the cables said they were for (PCI, etc).

The system starts up, The CPU-cooler fan runs, as well as every other fan. I hear no beep and get nothing on the monitor, it's just standing in stand-by and should react once it is recieveing signals, as it did. I tried connecting it to a TV through HD cables, but to no avail.

I hope you can give me ideas to troubleshoot this.

Ku'rända

Ugh.. as a builder I get the no POST/Video fan on thing all the time..  You could try and pull everything out and re-seat them (cables, RAM, cards) but that's a lot of work.  Try resetting the CMOS first.

Give us a chance, MORON!

Tsamsiyu92

I found out there's no system speaker connected. Does a ASUS P7P55D Deluxe include one? Or is it mounted on my case (In-Win Ironclad high-tower)?

Tsamsiyu92

Found speaker and mounted it, hear no beeps when starting up.

Ku'rända

Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on December 18, 2010, 09:07:55 AM
Found speaker and mounted it, hear no beeps when starting up.

Usually the system speaker is in the case itself, and you need to hook the jumper for that.

Anyways,  Post your gear, might help get us a better idea.. Also, if you board as an on-board VGA port, try hooking your monitor up to that, see if you get video that way.

Give us a chance, MORON!

Tsamsiyu92

There's no VGA on my mother board...wait...did you say the cylinder connected to the speaker input needs to be connected to something?

I have taken apart everything, except the Mboard from the case and the power supply is still sitting it its place.

The things inside can be found in a .xls document on my other thread, just 4-5 spots below this one.

Ku'rända

Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on December 18, 2010, 10:01:05 AM
There's no VGA on my mother board...wait...did you say the cylinder connected to the speaker input needs to be connected to something?

Yeaaah..  That little black thing with the two wires and jumper head, that's the onboard speaker...

Also, >_< did you reset the CMOS when you connected everything?

Give us a chance, MORON!

Tsamsiyu92

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Not to bother yuu more, but can you explain a noob like me what CMOS restarting is for and how it's done?

Perhaps you can add me on MSN or something, to try helping me assemble it correctly, for I do not posess the magical blink-with-eye-and-the-card.is-in powers, the youtube vid-makerss too often show.

Swoka Ikran

Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on December 18, 2010, 11:27:27 AM
Not to bother yuu more, but can you explain a noob like me what CMOS restarting is for and how it's done?
It clears the BIOS settings and restores the factory defaults. If something in the current BIOS settings is preventing the thing from booting, this will fix it. I've had to do it on several PCs I've built.

It's usually done via a 3-pin jumper on the motherboard. You typically move the jumper cap from pins 1 and 2 to 2 and 3 for 30 seconds or so, then move it back. Look in the motherboard manual for the location. The jumper is often labeled as "JCMOS" or "JBATT".

If you have trouble after clearing the CMOS, re-seat the RAM. If that doesn't help, disconnect all the drives and expansion cards from the motherboard. If it now boots, connect the drives and cards one at a time until either they're all reconnected, or the system stops booting.
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Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on December 18, 2010, 08:02:37 AMThe system starts up, The CPU-cooler fan runs, as well as every other fan. I hear no beep and get nothing on the monitor, it's just standing in stand-by and should react once it is recieveing signals, as it did. I tried connecting it to a TV through HD cables, but to no avail.

The very first thing you should do is start from a minimal system, i.e. the most basic system you can create so, let's say you have a monitor, case, PSU, motherboard, 1 CPU, HS/Fan, 2 HD's, a DVD, video card, 4 x 2Gb memory, floppy disc etc. your minimal system might be Case, PSU, motherboard, CPU, HS/Fan, 1 x 2GB memory and (assuming the the motherboard has no onboard video as well) a video card ...power that up and see if it works, if it doesn't you have a basic system fault and you have to then establish what the fault is. Essentially what I am saying is that to build all the system bits together in one go THEN power up is bad practice ... check the basics first.

Once you've done that start to add in the other devices one by one until you have a fully functional system ... yes I know it's boring and doing it the other way night well work, but this way you know that the base system works and then you add other bits (I would say tidying cables as you add other bits).

Notes:
If you have an AMD system then give up now ... I would!

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Carborundum

Quote from: Kekerusey on December 18, 2010, 03:10:01 PM
The very first thing you should do is start from a minimal system, i.e. the most basic system you can create so, let's say you have a monitor, case, PSU, motherboard, 1 CPU, HS/Fan, 2 HD's, a DVD, video card, 4 x 2Gb memory, floppy disc etc. your minimal system might be Case, PSU, motherboard, CPU, HS/Fan, 1 x 2GB memory and (assuming the the motherboard has no onboard video as well) a video card ...power that up and see if it works, if it doesn't you have a basic system fault and you have to then establish what the fault is. Essentially what I am saying is that to build all the system bits together in one go THEN power up is bad practice ... check the basics first.
Assuming a working system speaker, the minimal setup is actually just mobo, cpu and psu. This is enough for the computer to POST, and the reported error would be "no memory found".
Next, add memory. Error message should change to "no display adapter found".
Finally, add graphics card. This should be enough to complete POST all the way to "no bootable media found", and you should be able to enter BIOS setup.

QuoteNotes:
If you have an AMD system then give up now ... I would!
lolwut? ASUS P7P55D Deluxe is an Intel board, but why should he have given up if he had had an AMD system?
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Tsamsiyu92

Sorry for not responding here. Ku'rända has guided me through the process of assembling it and the CMOS is resetted. Now everything work and the OS is installed. I am happy that everything worked just fine.

I forgot to buy a wireless card, so I'll try to look for it on Monday on the local mobile/electronics store, since I believe they have some wireless cards.

Thanks to Ku'rända for guiding me through this and everyone else for also taking a part in getting this from a faulty .xls sheet of parts I should buy to the proudly standing tower beside me.

Irayo nìtxan and by this, the state is: solved.

Ku'rända

Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on December 18, 2010, 04:52:08 PM
Irayo nìtxan and by this, the state is: solved.

And in the immortal words of Patrick Norton: "If you put both the (side) panels on, I guarantee you're going to jinx yourself, you'll have to take it apart to make it boot."

Give us a chance, MORON!

Sіr. Ηaxalot

Nice too see that it's working. My friend had the same problem with his new computer (also Core i5), which in the end turned out to be because his display cable suddenly stopped working..

Kekerusey

Quote from: Carborundum on December 18, 2010, 03:31:32 PM]Assuming a working system speaker, the minimal setup is actually just mobo, cpu and psu. This is enough for the computer to POST, and the reported error would be "no memory found"

Agreed, I just gave up on BIOS beeps because they're rarely standard.

QuoteASUS P7P55D Deluxe is an Intel board, but why should he have given up if he had had an AMD system?

Quite possibly ... I never read the entire thread. IMO AMD's just suck!

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Carborundum

Quote from: Kekerusey on December 19, 2010, 03:17:45 AM
IMO AMD's just suck!
That's a bit irrational, don't you think? AMD can't compete with Intel in the highest performance tier, true, but in the low- to mid-range tiers AMD processors generally get you more bang for the buck.
It's not like AMD CPUs are in some way less stable than Intel ones.
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Quote from: Carborundum on December 19, 2010, 03:26:31 AMThat's a bit irrational, don't you think? AMD can't compete with Intel in the highest performance tier, true, but in the low- to mid-range tiers AMD processors generally get you more bang for the buck.
It's not like AMD CPUs are in some way less stable than Intel ones.

Not irrational no, based entirely on personal experience ... every single time I have non-sensical hardware issues (it makes no sense to me either) with a PC it is based on an AMD CPU. Maybe it's just "bad" luck, maybe they hate me as much as I hate them but the fact is that this is what happens with me & AMD CPU's. I've had maybe 5 or 6 systems with AMD CPU's in them across the 25 plus years I've been into computing and I have 1 now ... they've always proven to be awful bloody things ... the one I have now is an Acer portable and it can't run ANY variant of Windows without locking up (long story but trust me, it won't and I have 20 plus years of IT experience, senior systems engineer, so I'm no dummy in this context!), it will ONLY run Linux which, quite frankly, I can't do much with apart from surf. The only reason I still have it is I can't afford to upgrade just yet and maybe it's Acer, maybe it's AMD ... I don't know and I don't greatly care, IMO ALL (without exception) AMD's suck ... I would never, ever, buy one!

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Sіr. Ηaxalot

Quote from: Kekerusey on December 19, 2010, 04:45:13 AM
Quote from: Carborundum on December 19, 2010, 03:26:31 AMThat's a bit irrational, don't you think? AMD can't compete with Intel in the highest performance tier, true, but in the low- to mid-range tiers AMD processors generally get you more bang for the buck.
It's not like AMD CPUs are in some way less stable than Intel ones.

Not irrational no, based entirely on personal experience ... every single time I have non-sensical hardware issues (it makes no sense to me either) with a PC it is based on an AMD CPU. Maybe it's just "bad" luck, maybe they hate me as much as I hate them but the fact is that this is what happens with me & AMD CPU's. I've had maybe 5 or 6 systems with AMD CPU's in them across the 25 plus years I've been into computing and I have 1 now ... they've always proven to be awful bloody things ... the one I have now is an Acer portable and it can't run ANY variant of Windows without locking up (long story but trust me, it won't and I have 20 plus years of IT experience, senior systems engineer, so I'm no dummy in this context!), it will ONLY run Linux which, quite frankly, I can't do much with apart from surf. The only reason I still have it is I can't afford to upgrade just yet and maybe it's Acer, maybe it's AMD ... I don't know and I don't greatly care, IMO ALL (without exception) AMD's suck ... I would never, ever, buy one!

Keke

3 out of 4 ASUS motherboards I've had broke or started to malfunction (this is actually true). SO THERE FORE ASUS SUCK!!! It doesn't matter if everyone else is considering it as the leading MB producer, they simply suck!

Feel the sarcasm...

Tsamsiyu92

I chose Intel, because strangely, every single system that has been in my possession, has had Intel in it. And I had to take a decicion and wanted a somewhan high-mid-range CPU, the i5 760.

The ASUS motherboard was kind of awesome, It Overclocked my processor moderatly, from 2.6GHz to 3.22GHz and that was according to their OC system (see: ASUS P7P55D's system to understand that) as a stable setting which is not too extreme. I've seen my processor being run at 4 GHz by those extreme OCers.

By thursday I should have gotten some benchmark data for my computer, so I'll share what I can get from the games I have, which have a benchmarking feature or a posibility to see what framerate my computer can run a game.

Tiaothi

Wow, thats very unusual for an ASUS board to fail. I've known plenty of people who use ASUS and they've never had a problem.

Another thing to check is the PSU. I have seen a PSU develop a fault on the 12V rail and blow 3 motherboards in the space of 3 months. They were Gigabyte boards though.

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