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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2012, 09:52:26 am »
Windows 8 RTM(Release to Manufacturing) is near the release date that is gonna be next week

http://winunleaked.info/threads/290-Windows-8-RTM-on-the-way?p=8240#post8240

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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2012, 01:15:59 pm »
We've been beta-testing Windows 8 with legacy applications.  The most annoying thing thus far is that in the RC version, there is no start button anymore.  And if you didn't think to "drag" your screen up with your mouse, you wouldn't realize that the default was multiple screens.  It's clearly optimized for touch screens which we don't use.  I'm wondering if they'll change that in the RTM version.

They also have been doing similar games with Server 2012 RC as the two will be released together.  :(

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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2012, 09:06:16 am »
The best thing to do in that case would obviously not to buy it - let it become a shelf warmer, and Micro$oft should quickly notice that something is amiss.

Nothing against multiple desktops (that feature has its advantages, though), and since I'm already used to it from Linux (KDE has this feature from its very first days on, and I personally wouldn't want to miss it), it wouldn't cause me any trouble, though.
And if Windoze 8 really should turn out to be that bad, you also have the option to switch to Linux (guess I'll have to get me a Win 7 before they let it run out to be able to play any games I have for the PC)...


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Windows 8[26 Oct 2012]
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2012, 09:46:18 am »
About 3 months, on October 26 this year, is the full version of Windows 8 available for all users

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2012/07/18/windows-8-will-be-available-on.aspx
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2012, 08:17:27 pm »
We've been beta-testing Windows 8 with legacy applications.  The most annoying thing thus far is that in the RC version, there is no start button anymore.

There's ways to get that back with 3rd party apps. Look into Classic Shell (it's open source).

As for touch, an app called "fxxkmetro.exe", can unload Metro for a session (or always if you put it in startup), so when used with Classic Shell or the like, one can get a UI that works better with a KB/mouse.

Why MS wants to make it so hard for a PC users is beyond me. I've wondered about some of the cheap upgrade promotions that will be available...are they already expecting it to do poorly?

I'm not an Apple fan, but at least they understand the need for two OSes with two different UIs for two different systems that have two different uses and two different input methods.

MS seems to have forgotten something about UI design...
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2012, 06:49:50 pm »
Microsoft are trying to sell to lusers, not to people who want any such things as multitasking, a keyboard, or a high resolution monitor. It's the Apple mentality - "You will use your computer this way, now give us more money", sadly there are a lot of people with more money than sense who make that a profitable way to do things.
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2012, 08:56:16 am »
Or more money than technical expertise.  :P That's why Macs sell so well: because they don't break, and look shiny. Most users don't care about poking around with a screwdriver in the internals.
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2012, 09:12:37 am »
Or more money than technical expertise.  :P That's why Macs sell so well: because they don't break, and look shiny. Most users don't care about poking around with a screwdriver in the internals.

On an individual purchase, I agree.  But not for corporate use.  Macs do not play nice (if at all) in a network domain environment where policies and controls are pushed through the system.  And you cannot override many settings in a Mac to make it emulate a PC.  Beautiful screens.  Great for digital media (graphics) design.  Some software developers definitely use them.  Mac's are also a pain to re-image in bulk.  Mac's are also very difficult to service let alone change batteries on.  I've never understood why they chose to be this way.  

Unfortunately Microsoft has the monopoly and approx. 90% of most companies run on Microsoft dependent systems.  (Particularly servers.)

We're definitely avoiding rolling out Windows 8 though.  At least not until our volume Windows 7 keys run out...

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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2012, 09:54:26 am »
The company I currently work for has also said they have no intention of using 8.

As for Macs in a domain...ugh. I had the lovely experience of briefly working with that in technical school. You can put them in a Windows domain and use your Windows AD accounts on one, but that's about it.
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2012, 10:00:06 am »
At the rate things are going, MS will have to sell Windows 7 until 2020 or face corporate revolt. It'll give them enough time to sort their priorities out.

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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2012, 10:24:54 am »
At the rate things are going, MS will have to sell Windows 7 until 2020 or face corporate revolt. It'll give them enough time to sort their priorities out.
MS hasn't decided when Win7 will stop being sold (says TBD on their website), but there will be support update-wise through 2020. That gives Win7 an 11 year life-span, which isn't bad.

Win7's life doesn't beat XP, but then XP's lifespan was due to Vista's failure. Enterprise and many users rejected Vista, and they were forced to extend XP. And seeing that 8 will likely go the ways of Vista and ME...
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2012, 10:45:55 am »
Or more money than technical expertise.  :P That's why Macs sell so well: because they don't break, and look shiny. Most users don't care about poking around with a screwdriver in the internals.

On an individual purchase, I agree.  But not for corporate use.  Macs do not play nice (if at all) in a network domain environment where policies and controls are pushed through the system.  And you cannot override many settings in a Mac to make it emulate a PC.  Beautiful screens.  Great for digital media (graphics) design.  Some software developers definitely use them.  Mac's are also a pain to re-image in bulk.  Mac's are also very difficult to service let alone change batteries on.  I've never understood why they chose to be this way. 

Unfortunately Microsoft has the monopoly and approx. 90% of most companies run on Microsoft dependent systems.  (Particularly servers.)

We're definitely avoiding rolling out Windows 8 though.  At least not until our volume Windows 7 keys run out...
And I'd say that's why MS control most of the market: because the businesses do need to poke around in the internals, but also need on-call technical help. You also see that with the high-end Linux distros, since RH and Canonical sell technical support.

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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2012, 11:01:01 am »
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Win7's life doesn't beat XP, but then XP's lifespan was due to Vista's failure. Enterprise and many users rejected Vista, and they were forced to extend XP. And seeing that 8 will likely go the ways of Vista and ME...  

Actually, it was primarily due to a federal and multi-state government impending aka threatened lawsuit.  Military and government contractor companies refused to use Vista because of major security problems and software compatibility with legacy programs.  Thus XP in SP3 form got the extra extra extension for end of life support.  Server 2003 benefited since the kernal (core program) is tied together with XP, and they have to be updated together.  So at least IT has a couple of years left to get security updates which are still many and frequent on this era of Microsoft OS.  

EDIT:  In rereading this, I should add that Microsoft was under a big investigation as a "monopoly".  Microsoft could have been potentially ordered to be broken up similar to the oil and telephone companies in the past under US anti-monopoly law.  This "threat" was leverage against Microsoft which was trying to force companies to, not only buy the Vista product, but to force all 3rd party software companies (and hardware companies) to have their products validated by Microsoft (big fees) to be "certified".  It was a big mess.  Plus many existing 3rd party software packages were incompatible with Vista as the software couldn't run with "administrator" privileges as originally designed.  (Hence the "Run in compatibility mode" options added and improved all the way through Windows 8.)  Anyway, the settlement included Microsoft "voluntarily" extending all the end of life updates for XP and Server 2003 as indicated above.  Who knows what else was involved or said as much of it was behind closed doors with lawyers...

Windows 7 is what Vista should have been from the beginning...
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2012, 01:45:44 pm »
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Win7's life doesn't beat XP, but then XP's lifespan was due to Vista's failure. Enterprise and many users rejected Vista, and they were forced to extend XP. And seeing that 8 will likely go the ways of Vista and ME... 

Actually, it was primarily due to a federal and multi-state government impending aka threatened lawsuit.  Military and government contractor companies refused to use Vista because of major security problems and software compatibility with legacy programs.  Thus XP in SP3 form got the extra extra extension for end of life support.  Server 2003 benefited since the kernal (core program) is tied together with XP, and they have to be updated together.  So at least IT has a couple of years left to get security updates which are still many and frequent on this era of Microsoft OS. 
Interesting. Learned something new.

Windows 7 is what Vista should have been from the beginning...
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
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Windows 8(finished version)
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2012, 06:49:18 am »


The finished version of W8 is finished, ready and available
Subscribers can download the finished version - curious to test for 90 days.

Those who do not have TechNet membership can also download a trial version of Windows 8 This is fully functional, but only lasts for 90 days. Nor can it be upgraded to full version - you will need to install Windows 8 again if you decide to buy the OS.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/securedownloads/hh442898#searchTerm=&ProductFamilyId=481&Languages=en&PageSize=10&PageIndex=0&FileId=0

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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2012, 09:54:59 pm »
Tried every pre-release and it was junk. :( I won't bother to waste the bandwidth downloading the final. All but 2 persons I know feels the same way.

It's absurd that: I needed 2 different third party programs to get a UI I can actually be productive in installed on it, and that every Windows 8 build to date has included attempts at defeating these efforts. If they're going to tell me how to use my PC, I won't use their products. Period.

I was maddened to discover that even the Enterprise version doesn't offer a remove metro option for corporations that don't want to retrain users. MS is probably gonna regret that one.
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2012, 05:41:48 am »
From what I see here, Windoze 8 is plain ridiculous (the picture of the "desktop" already speaks volumes).
I mean, why do they so dearly want to force the users to operate a computer like a tablet PC or a smartphone? >:( Sorry, but that absolutely doesn't make any sense. Hopefully I got me a Win 7 so I have something to work with while this sort of junk hopefully goes down the drain - and for productivity I won't put up even with that and use Linux instead.

I can only hope that this entire thing is going to become a huge backfire - but no matter what, once the damage is done, it's not easily fixed. If they have to learn it the hard way, it's delivered as ordered... :(


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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
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Re: Windows 8(Beta)
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2012, 02:47:23 pm »


I guess that's the keyboard specially designed for Win 8? ;D


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