BP CEO

Started by Ean Hufwetulyu, June 17, 2010, 12:10:01 PM

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Should Tony Hayward and BP get criminal charges?  

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Ean Hufwetulyu

Plus what criminal charges should they get hit with?
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Rain

My view: BP should spend every last dollar they have cleaning up their mess, therefore going broke and dissolving. Then if they want to recreate themselves, they have to do it from the ground up, this time with super-observant and nitpicky supervision hovering over their shoulders. The EPA could also keep tabs on them. Monthly inspections for the first fifteen years, Bi-monthly inspections forever. Kind of like being "grounded". I don't think that the court system will be able to handle something as large as a global conglomerate, unless the United Nations gets involved. OKO, is there some form of World Court?
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Ean Hufwetulyu

yes the UN world court is made up of five to twenty nations.
I like that idea through.
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Rain

Oe fpil futa the people who are REALLY responsible (i.e. those who kept putting off deadlines, choosing faulty equipment, etc.) should get the brunt of the punishment, like they're the ones who have to pay so much out of their pockets. The employees, like the eleven who died on the rig, they probably didn't have much of anything to do with the actual explosion and therefore they probably shouldn't go to jail, have to pay for the damages, what have you. Investigation needs to find out who was personally responsible for all of the things BP is being accused of so we KNOW who to punish and how.
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-Spock, "This Side of Paradise"

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Puvomun

Here is an article of the British Independent that lists a LOT of things that went wrong and were done wrong. All in all that is a scary long list:

"Improper well design
Improper cement design...
No cement bond logs, ineffective oversight of operations
Bad decision-making – removing the pressure barrier – displacing the drilling mud with sea water 8,000ft below the drill deck...
Early warning signs not detected, analyzed or corrected
Improper operating procedures
Flawed design and maintenance of the final line of defense."

The people who are responsible for all this should be punished. I think this includes the heads of the BP management also, as in the end they are responsible. It shows a lot of arrogance that this was able to happen. It has gone well so often, it will go well this time. I suddenly wonder (and shudder) thinking about how many other oilrigs have been erected with the same shoddy stuff, and that things did not go wrong there for some miracle.

Locating the guilty parties should be possible, after all: this list of things that were bad have people behind them. Someone designed the well, someone fouled up with the cement etc. And if the person responsible points at the company behind them, then take down the company as well. I'm afraid that this will turn into a years-long mudthrowing contest... :(

First concern though is that the spill is stopped and its effects countered and cleaned up. And a ban on offshort drilling. Let's hope it is not too late.
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Nusumea Tirea

I think the management should be punished. But also the board of directors and the shareholders.
The mangement for the final decisions about cutting back on safety measures and improper design because of
costs and the board of directors and the shareholders for not checking on the management.
As it all drills down to greed and profit making, the punishment shound be just payments, and lots of it.

They are all ignorant like a child. This is very sad only.

Ean Hufwetulyu

true it is very sad about the way they have been handling this situation.
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Rain

I think that we should all focus on getting the leak stopped FIRST, then go to cleanup. While cleanup is being performed, there should be the full scale investigation. I HATE when people jump into the lawsuit while the crime is still going on.
"If there are self-made purgatories, then we shall all have to live in them."
-Spock, "This Side of Paradise"

"The greatest danger about Pandora is that you may come to love it too much." ~Grace Augustine

Ean Hufwetulyu

true once they get leak stop, then we charge the people with crimes
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Nusumea Tirea

Quote from: Rain on June 19, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
I think that we should all focus on getting the leak stopped FIRST, then go to cleanup. While cleanup is being performed, there should be the full scale investigation. I HATE when people jump into the lawsuit while the crime is still going on.

You are right. But besides not buying BP Products, helping with prayers or to inform people whats going on around them there is not much I can do, beeing on the wrong continent.

Puvomun

Quote from: Nusumea Tirea on June 20, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
You are right. But besides not buying BP Products, helping with prayers or to inform people whats going on around them there is not much I can do, beeing on the wrong continent.
Srane, same here. (Hello, neighbour!)
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Ngopyu ayvurä.

Ean Hufwetulyu

Quote from: Puvomun on June 20, 2010, 01:16:42 AM
Quote from: Nusumea Tirea on June 20, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
You are right. But besides not buying BP Products, helping with prayers or to inform people whats going on around them there is not much I can do, beeing on the wrong continent.
Srane, same here. (Hello, neighbour!)
srane tsmuke
Eywa Ngahu Smukan si Smuke.

Rain

Quote from: Nusumea Tirea on June 20, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
You are right. But besides not buying BP Products, helping with prayers or to inform people whats going on around them there is not much I can do, being on the wrong continent.

Ngaru seyi Irayo. We all do as much as we can possibly afford to do. I can't possibly just pick up and move, I don't have the resources or the money. Any effort is appreciated.
"If there are self-made purgatories, then we shall all have to live in them."
-Spock, "This Side of Paradise"

"The greatest danger about Pandora is that you may come to love it too much." ~Grace Augustine

Puvomun

BP just managed to make me more sick of the entire oil and drill operation.

Warning: this hurts to read.
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Ngopyu ayvurä.

bommel

Quote from: Puvomun on June 20, 2010, 11:57:40 PM
BP just managed to make me more sick of the entire oil and drill operation.

Warning: this hurts to read.
This is so sad :(
Those bastards should drown in their own oil!

Puvomun

And it keeps getting "better"...

QuoteA Deepwater Horizon rig worker has told the BBC that he identified a leak in the oil rig's safety equipment weeks before the explosion.

Tyrone Benton said the leak was not fixed at the time, but that instead the faulty device was shut down and a second one relied on.

See this BBC article for the whole story. If you can still stomach it...
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bommel

All those wrong decisions management makes! They expose their workers and nature to a unnecessary threat! :(

Ean Hufwetulyu

srane tsmukan and BP has a history of putting money before people, Gaia, and safety
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Zalorticus

Does anyone know where the CEO of BP lives? I'd like to pay him a visit.
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