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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2013, 07:45:01 am »
What are the arguments of the reporters?

I know that Norway economy depends highly on oil production and exportations. So this projects makes sense in economical terms. Yet... The sensible impact on the environment of such a project seem underestimated. I am not sure what to think. Norway perhaps does not really need this ressource to continue with a wealthy economy.


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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2013, 12:33:37 pm »
What are the arguments of the reporters?

I know that Norway economy depends highly on oil production and exportations. So this projects makes sense in economical terms. Yet... The sensible impact on the environment of such a project seem underestimated. I am not sure what to think. Norway perhaps does not really need this ressource to continue with a wealthy economy.
I'm actually not that sure about the "economic impacts". Mining for oil is not a particularly damaging and polluting thing when done properly (i.e. dig straight down and make sure don't spill everywhere). Burning oil is very polluting, but I think people are too hot-headed and just automatically think "OMG OIL IS THE SYMBOL OF CAPITALISM AND MAKES GASOLINE WHICH CARS USE, AND CARS ARE SUPER POLLUTING"
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2013, 07:47:34 pm »
Well, I would not go that far... What I am saying though, is that although oil drilling gan bring a lot of revenues, if Norway can avoid drilling there, then this would be much better. It may depend on how they manage their economy. And on this side, I am no expert anyway. I would however be terribly mad if this oil drilling stuff causes pollution in that sensible area.


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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2013, 12:06:32 pm »
Another area of Norway has been opened to start oil drilling. There has been found oil there, a lot of oil.
Petroleum Agency in Norway thinks there is existing over 300 million m3 oil equivalent. Seems like our country is like swimming in oil.
It also says that North Sea might contain up to 850 million m3 oil equivalent and the Norwegian Sea might contain 780 million m3 oil equivalent.



The new areas towards Russia may contain 300 million standard cubic meters of oil equivalents (SOE), think NPD.

- We think it's both oil and gas in the area equivalent to eight to ten Goliat discovery, says Director General Bente Nyland, as Wednesday presented the new resource estimate for the southern Barents Sea and Jan Mayen

Oil Director Bente Nyland in Norway Petroleum Directory(NPD) stresses that the uncertainty is large.

NPD estimates vary from a minimum of 55 million SOE for a maximum of 565 million SOE.

The results of two years of seismic surveys suggest that most gas in the southeastern part of the Barents Sea. However, according to the Director 15 percent of the resources to be oil.

- With this being the Barents Sea, an even more important part of the Norwegian continental shelf. The estimate of total undiscovered resources will increase by 15 percent. In the Barents Sea sounds our estimate at 1.26 billion SOE says Bente Nyland.

In comparison sounds resource estimates for the North Sea 850 million SOE and while the Norwegian Sea could contain 780 million SOE.

In Alta la also the Director estimates for areas around Jan Mayen. This uncertainty is even greater than in the Barents Sea. NPD operates therefore with a two-part model.

In the conservative estimate can be between 0 and 90 million SOE around Jan Mayen. But if it is done one finds the estimate increases dramatically. Then it varies between 20 and 650 million SOE.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2013, 12:26:53 pm »
So Norway become a big 'european oil state'...

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2013, 12:44:09 pm »
So Norway become a big 'european oil state'...

Already is it.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2013, 01:44:52 pm »
I don't feel well if I thing about the icebergs comming from spitsbergen. They could damage the oil platforms. :-X

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2013, 05:33:57 pm »
I don't feel well if I thing about the icebergs comming from spitsbergen. They could damage the oil platforms. :-X
This is bad, but I laughed  ;D I'm sure they could be easily treated though. Using tow ships? lool
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #68 on: March 09, 2013, 06:54:29 pm »
There have been so quite these days now. Wonder if the people have given up to fight back. :-\ :(

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #69 on: March 10, 2013, 12:39:44 pm »
How is the debate going in Norway?


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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #70 on: March 10, 2013, 06:00:44 pm »
How is the debate going in Norway?

Not heard much from the oil discussions, but now there is an another subject everybody here is arguing about, and that is windmills.
The fishermens don't want to have windmills near their fishing grounds. They don't want it.

Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Water_Resources_and_Energy_Directorate) recommend that these will not be built up.
15 waters are examined in terms of the opening of offshore wind. Four of these areas are located in Nordland: Nordmela, Gimsøy north, Selvær and Træna west.


http://worldnewsbeyond.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/the-fishermens-in-norway-will-not-have-windmills/

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2013, 04:05:26 pm »
They can place windmills away, like in non-used fields.

But wait... they have a project which will be bad for environment, and another one which will produce renewable energy.  :o No logic...
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2013, 04:26:55 pm »
They can place windmills away, like in non-used fields.

But wait... they have a project which will be bad for environment, and another one which will produce renewable energy.  :o No logic...


You know, windmills isn't that much renewable.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2013, 04:28:21 pm »
Windmills can be bad for the environment too, even though the energy they produce is renewable.

Windmills are not 100% renewable (the mills themselves need to be made :P) but they are pretty much so. Renewable =/= good for environment though. Biofuel is pretty renewable but also quite polluting. Nuclear power is technically not renewable but does not pollute the atmosphere unless accidents happen, and only two significantly polluting accidents have happened in its entire history.
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #74 on: March 15, 2013, 02:46:14 pm »
Different leaders in parties in the gouvernment is still arguing about a yes or no for oil-drilling in Lofoten in Norway. Well I support SLP, the Socialist Left Party and also the Right Party. Right Party have promised the Socialist Left Party to cut the taxes with 25 billion NOK, about 4.3 billion american dollars.

Well, that is something good, to cut the taxes.


Anyone who supports us in northern Norway and elsewhere in the country: Socialist Left Party will never fail in the struggle for an oil-free Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja, says Audun Lysbakken.
Socialist Left Party leader Audun Lysbakken spent much of his speech to the party congress at Rally for battle against oil drilling off Lofoten.
The question of yes or no to oil drilling off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja is a national choices and values​​. It is the test of whether we are a country where oil takes precedence over all other considerations, or whether we are a people who know the value of more than money, said Lysbakken before he stated to the applause of the convention:
- Anyone who supports us in northern Norway and elsewhere in the country: Socialist Left Party will never fail in the struggle for an oil-free Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja.
He went directly to the attack on oljetilhengernes arguments.
- Oil Advocates tries periodically to portray opponents as coffee latte-drinking southerner who will stand in the way of development in the north. It makes me angry. For then depicts the Northern Norway as a sort of poor countries without ideas, which have saved the oil industry, said Socialist Left Party leader.
He stated that drilling at best will provide a fifth of the jobs that fishing and tourism provide today.

Lysbakken went on to tell what the party thinks they can do for the 25 billion that the Conservatives have promised tax cuts. It’s about teachers, day care, research, train, new housing and the fight against poverty.
- Our clear message for the next four years are: Not one tax cuts to the wealthy whine class, was the message from Socialist Left Party leader.
The party, which in many ways has gathering in the bottom of Lillestrøm, heard Lysbakken tell that Socialist Left Party will introduce a national minimum standard for social assistance, set up 1,500 new jobs at health centers and school health, still introducing school meals and more physical activity – and make sure to build 40,000 new homes a year in a national housing plan to ensure all a good place to stay at an affordable price.

Socialist Left Party leader went on to talk about the party’s nursery Mode # 2, a quality reform, more generous attitude towards asylum children, peace, development policy and solidarity linked to the economic crisis in Europe.
- This crisis is caused by years of EU neoliberal policies. And Norway is not an island in Europe. There is no reason to believe that not the economic and political crisis in the EU will affect the future here, too, said Lysbakken.

http://worldnewsbeyond.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/battle-for-an-oil-free-lofoten-continues-in-norway/

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2013, 11:39:52 am »
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!




2 Labour Party county-teams says NO to impact assessment in Lofoten
Nature and Youth is delighted that both Møre-Romsdal and Akershus Labour has said no to a preliminary environmental impact of oil operations off Lofoten and Vesterålen.
It was a very good news to wake up to. Hopefully this can send important signals to the Labor deputy Helga Pedersen and Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg that these are key areas that should not and can be opened, the chairman of the Nature and Youth Silje Lundberg NTB.
Lundberg believes this demonstrates the change of mood within the Labour Party.
- It shows that Møre-Romsdal and Akershus Labour dare to rely on their youth. AUF say no, and they have worked well with this case, said Lundberg.
- Solid majority in the
Annual Meeting in Oslo Labor says no to examine the impact of oil activities outside Lofoten and Senja in the coming parliamentary term.
The decision, which comes Nordland VI, Nordland VII and Troms II, was taken Sunday morning.


Here are the areas Akershus Labour Party currently will close for oil drilling.


Also Møre-Romsdal Labour Party’s annual conference said no to the preliminary impact of oil operations off Lofoten and Senja.
The decision, which comes Nordland VI, Nordland VII and Troms II, was issued Sunday morning by a narrow majority, 67 to 62 votes.
- The proposal from the county party’s control to open for impact assessment, was rejected, said annual meeting director, Mayor Roger Osen in Smøla municipality, NTB.
- Must be adopted at the national convention
The AGM also adopted an additional resolution that demands the further process in labor, should it become necessary to examine the impact oil exploration in Lofoten and Senja.
This decision requires that any opening of Nordland VI, VII and Troms II must be treated by the Labour Party’s national convention, which is the party’s highest body.



http://worldnewsbeyond.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/2-labour-party-county-teams-says-no-to-impact-assessment-in-lofoten/

Official News(Norwegian): http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.10952276



But it doesn't mean the case has been shelved. It first must be approved by the Prime Minister and they who are leading our country. And also the Norwegian Ministry of Petroleum and Energy must approve it. And maybe our King must approve it too. Our King also sign under agreements.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2013, 11:42:57 am »
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2013, 11:48:00 am »
I hope they sign it, so the whole story finally has an end.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2013, 04:25:29 pm »
10 out of 19 Labour Party county-teams says yes to impact assessment for oil drilling in voulnerable fishing region Lofoten in Norway



Ten of the Labour Party’s (Ap) county-teams wants impact of oil drilling off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja. Five county-team opponents says no, while four have not decided.
Labour Party is thus strongly split over oil drilling in the northern front of congress about a month.
In late January, the Council of Labor program in order to assess the impact areas off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja.
In 2011 celebrated the Socialist Left Party and environmentalists that the AP and the other two coalition parties decided to wait to open the vulnerable areas for oil exploration.

A majority of county teams Labour now say yes to the impact study areas, but many of these county teams are small. Together, they have no more than 124 out of a total of 300 delegates, Dagsavisen.
Oslo is among county teams, which clearly says no to the impact of oil drilling off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja.
A nearly unanimous Joint Labor in favor of impact. Only AUF leader Eskil Pedersen opposed the proposal.

http://worldnewsbeyond.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/10-out-of-19-labour-party-county-teams-says-yes-to-impact-assessment-of-lofoten-in-norway/

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2013, 04:37:27 pm »
I would love to see the reaction to James Cameron of this oil drilling discussion. I am really sure he is also against it. Would lovely send a message to him and ask him, about what he thinks.

 

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