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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2013, 04:38:38 pm »
10 out of 19 Labour Party county-teams says yes to impact assessment for oil drilling in voulnerable fishing region Lofoten in Norway



Ten of the Labour Party’s (Ap) county-teams wants impact of oil drilling off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja. Five county-team opponents says no, while four have not decided.
Labour Party is thus strongly split over oil drilling in the northern front of congress about a month.
In late January, the Council of Labor program in order to assess the impact areas off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja.
In 2011 celebrated the Socialist Left Party and environmentalists that the AP and the other two coalition parties decided to wait to open the vulnerable areas for oil exploration.

A majority of county teams Labour now say yes to the impact study areas, but many of these county teams are small. Together, they have no more than 124 out of a total of 300 delegates, Dagsavisen.
Oslo is among county teams, which clearly says no to the impact of oil drilling off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja.
A nearly unanimous Joint Labor in favor of impact. Only AUF leader Eskil Pedersen opposed the proposal.

http://worldnewsbeyond.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/10-out-of-19-labour-party-county-teams-says-yes-to-impact-assessment-of-lofoten-in-norway/

Official News(Norwegian): http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/troms_og_finnmark/1.10954565
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2013, 04:40:03 pm »
10 out of 19 Labour Party county-teams says yes to impact assessment for oil drilling in voulnerable fishing region Lofoten in Norway



Ten of the Labour Party’s (Ap) county-teams wants impact of oil drilling off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja. Five county-team opponents says no, while four have not decided.
Labour Party is thus strongly split over oil drilling in the northern front of congress about a month.
In late January, the Council of Labor program in order to assess the impact areas off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja.
In 2011 celebrated the Socialist Left Party and environmentalists that the AP and the other two coalition parties decided to wait to open the vulnerable areas for oil exploration.

A majority of county teams Labour now say yes to the impact study areas, but many of these county teams are small. Together, they have no more than 124 out of a total of 300 delegates, Dagsavisen.
Oslo is among county teams, which clearly says no to the impact of oil drilling off Lofoten, Vesterålen and Senja.
A nearly unanimous Joint Labor in favor of impact. Only AUF leader Eskil Pedersen opposed the proposal.

http://worldnewsbeyond.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/10-out-of-19-labour-party-county-teams-says-yes-to-impact-assessment-of-lofoten-in-norway/

Official News(Norwegian): http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/troms_og_finnmark/1.10954565
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Bad news :( very sad, very sad only :(
A lot of people is fighting to end this, to change the gouvernment's decision to reconsider this project, shut down this project, forever.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2013, 04:41:02 pm »
 >:(  :'(
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2013, 04:43:14 pm »
 :(
The oil- and money-greedy people!

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2013, 04:48:54 pm »
I'll would sing this song in front of them:
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Thanks for destroyin' my future!  >:(  :'(
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2013, 08:46:18 pm »
Ermahgerd! They want oil and after they fear about economy because of this!

Well, I hope the end will be positve.
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2013, 08:54:17 pm »
Ermahgerd! They want oil and after they fear about economy because of this!

Well, I hope the end will be positve.
No oil =/= positive. Maybe they go after coal instead. Trololol.
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2013, 08:57:01 pm »
Ermahgerd! They want oil and after they fear about economy because of this!

Well, I hope the end will be positve.
No oil =/= positive. Maybe they go after coal instead. Trololol.
Coal... maybe. But it would be strange.

If they work on energies that pollute less, it would be better.

But where the world is going?
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2013, 08:54:01 am »
Ermahgerd! They want oil and after they fear about economy because of this!

Well, I hope the end will be positve.
No oil =/= positive. Maybe they go after coal instead. Trololol.
Coal... maybe. But it would be strange.

If they work on energies that pollute less, it would be better.

But where the world is going?

Coal is also a very bad thing, it pollutes very much.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2013, 09:05:19 am »
I know.

I hope they will adopt energies more Earth-friendly, worldwide.

(Why the energy on Earth is only polluting?!)
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2013, 11:17:53 am »
Well, nuclear power is very unpolluting, very efficient, and actually much much safer (average deaths per watt) than coal or oil (if you don't use a TOOOOOO crappy reactor like RBMK). Problem is that the anti-nuclear lobby has made everybody think that "green power" doesn't include nuclear.

Which means we have to probably wait until fusion reactors start getting built. Fusion reactors absolutely cannot meltdown due to the way fusion reactions work. I guess the anti-nuclear lobby will come up with some other excuse such as there is a limited amount of tritium on Earth, or that crappy reactors could irradiate the tokamak a bit, and somebody kissing the tokamak for hours can get more than background radiation. Oh well.
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2013, 11:34:10 am »
True.
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2013, 11:40:55 am »
Tritium can be produced from lithium or take deuterium. The components a fusion reactor, which has contact with the plasma, are slightly radioactive. The components of a fission reactor are highly radioactive. And what you seem to forget at your deaths per watt calculation, is the longevity of the radioactive elements and the question, where to put the highly radioactive garbage?

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2013, 04:07:27 pm »
Tritium can be produced from lithium or take deuterium. The components a fusion reactor, which has contact with the plasma, are slightly radioactive. The components of a fission reactor are highly radioactive. And what you seem to forget at your deaths per watt calculation, is the longevity of the radioactive elements and the question, where to put the highly radioactive garbage?
The highly radioactive garbage is stored under mountains, and that causes far less deaths than operational accidents at the reactor.

Even if we just dump all of the radioactive garbage into the ocean, a pretty small amount of fish would die (like a few hundred or so?) and the water would not be contaminated, since the garbage is solid, water absorbs radiation well without actually becoming significantly radioactive, and solid garbage doesn't spread (Fukushima's radiation was actually in powdered radioactive elements which obviously does spread).

Also I was being sarcastic. Fusion is way better than fission.
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2013, 04:21:38 pm »
The highly radioactive garbage is stored under mountains, and that causes far less deaths than operational accidents at the reactor.
O.o ok.

Even if we just dump all of the radioactive garbage into the ocean, a pretty small amount of fish would die (like a few hundred or so?) and the water would not be contaminated, since the garbage is solid, water absorbs radiation well without actually becoming significantly radioactive, and solid garbage doesn't spread (Fukushima's radiation was actually in powdered radioactive elements which obviously does spread).
Really? Ok...

Also I was being sarcastic. Fusion is way better than fission.
Maybe.

Using radioactivity is risky. I like that it doesn't pollute, but we should be careful.
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2013, 05:50:00 pm »
Radiation isn't really scary unless you hug and kiss a big cylinder of fuel; that would kill you. And we are so paranoid about it we've made it far too safe (in that it is way too expensive).
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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2013, 06:31:45 pm »
Radiation isn't really scary unless you hug and kiss a big cylinder of fuel; that would kill you. And we are so paranoid about it we've made it far too safe (in that it is way too expensive).

Radioactivity from nuclear reactors that has melted is extremely scary. Chernobyl is an example of that. Chernobyl disaster harmed the nature of Ukraine, at least the abandoned city Pripyat. If for example Fukushima nuclear power planet were right in the middle of Sendai, would all of them abandoning.

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2013, 06:56:30 pm »
While you have to be very careful, the blended uranium fuel going into the reactor isn't nearly as dangerous and toxic as is what comes out of the reactor.  Granted you don't what to be exposed by any of it if you can help it...  And some stuff is just downright nasty pending what it is and how long it lasts (half life).  And it isn't just the power industry.  Don't forget the medical industry as well...

The unfortunate part, is that we've created all this highly toxic waste that, of course, nobody in their right mind wants.  And we can't do anything with it other than try store it underground hoping it'll go away.  From a technological standpoint, nuclear reactors and controls have come a long long long way in safety and improvements, mostly due to companies like GE who have worked with the military for nuclear vessels. 

But now, understandably, France was shutting down theirs.  Germany has shut down all of theirs.  And Japan has also.  (Honestly reactors in high risk earthquake zones don't make the most sense...)  But this will drive the demand for oil and oil profits.  As well as substantially increase the demand to burn coal for energy.

The problem is, the cost to make effective alternative power solutions cannot financially compete with mainstream energy production without subsidies and government tax incentives to the investors.  We've discussed this.  It's a fact of the RDA business.  For the US, a gallon of petrol is about $4 USD.  If it were double or triple that, which I certainly don't want to pay..., alternative fuels and energy would be far more a cost effective option.

Hopefully, in the next couple of hundred years, they'll figure out fusion reactors and a way to shove all the toxic fission waste product back in it to reduce it down.  Who knows...  Maybe we will be searching for planets/moons like Pandora, running on our fission garbage...   :-\

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Re: Yes or no to oil production in Lofoten,Norway?
« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2013, 07:44:40 pm »
In France at least, the nuclear fuel is generally re-used. In the U.S., because of mostly 1960s red tape and irrational fears, the nuclear fuel is declared "waste" when like 10% of the available fissile material in it is used up.

Nuclear waste can be dug up after like 10 years when it would still be very radioactive but not extremely so. Then it can be put into lead boxes with holes in them used as radiation sources for experiments and cancer therapy. But no, that sounds too scary for the public, and it's in the interest of oil and coal companies to keep nodding.
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