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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2010, 04:59:02 pm »
Wow this is amazing!! I'm just wondering how do you actualy change your face to look more Na'vi. I'm really new to this type of stuff so can someone please tell me the tools and the process of actually forming your face to look like that.

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2010, 05:04:36 pm »
Used photoshop, use the lasso tool to select the various parts, then copy-pasted the selection into a new layer. From there, I free-transformed to scale upwards, and moved and rotated the eye to fit the proportions mentioned in this topic. Afterwards, I used the eraser with a soft brush to fuzz out the edges and blend the transformed bit into the rest of the face.


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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2010, 05:09:47 pm »
Thank you I get it now sort of....

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2010, 12:23:50 am »
wow great job and awesome analysis Skxawng!


very interesting indeed

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2010, 05:51:49 am »
Good stuff!

Though it would be nice to see the differences between Avatars and native Na'Vi. The main things I've noticed is that Avatars can have more human noses (like with Grace), they have human hands, and have eyebrow hair. But those are only the obvious differences, I was wondering if there are differences in proportions and what not.

A big difference that I haven't seen anyone mention yet Avatars have 5 fingers Verses Na'vi 4.

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2010, 09:50:59 am »
Good stuff!

Though it would be nice to see the differences between Avatars and native Na'Vi. The main things I've noticed is that Avatars can have more human noses (like with Grace), they have human hands, and have eyebrow hair. But those are only the obvious differences, I was wondering if there are differences in proportions and what not.

A big difference that I haven't seen anyone mention yet Avatars have 5 fingers Verses Na'vi 4.
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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2010, 03:03:56 pm »
Don't know if this has been mentioned before, sorry if it has!

I don't think it's so much about proportions, but another difference between Na'vi and Avatars/humans is this... thing they seem to have under their chest. Only males seem to have it.

It looks like a fold in their skin. Here is a picture of Tsu'tey where you can clearly see it:


There are also times during the movie where you can see it more clearly, on other male natives who are not wearing that piece around the waist.

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2010, 03:46:32 pm »
Do you mean that arrow like thing between the breast plates and the cloth piece?
Personally i don`t take the Na`vi as alien because i think i understand them.

When I look on the news and see what horrible things are happening around the world I can`t help but wonder what is the source of them and therefore my own race is becoming more and more alien to me as time passes by.

Does that make any sense?

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2010, 11:22:18 am »
Do you mean that arrow like thing between the breast plates and the cloth piece?

I believe that's what he means, yes.

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2010, 02:07:27 pm »
Hmm, I hadn't noticed that before.
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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2010, 04:36:11 pm »
Hm, odd, i wonder is it just to add a bit of detail to Na`vi males, or it actually has its purpose.
Personally i don`t take the Na`vi as alien because i think i understand them.

When I look on the news and see what horrible things are happening around the world I can`t help but wonder what is the source of them and therefore my own race is becoming more and more alien to me as time passes by.

Does that make any sense?

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2010, 04:38:23 pm »
Maybe it reinforces the ribcage or sternum in some way, although if it were a practical bone structure I doubt it would be that flamboyant or sharp-looking.


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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2010, 03:42:53 am »
Don't know if this has been mentioned before, sorry if it has!

I don't think it's so much about proportions, but another difference between Na'vi and Avatars/humans is this... thing they seem to have under their chest. Only males seem to have it.

It looks like a fold in their skin. Here is a picture of Tsu'tey where you can clearly see it:


There are also times during the movie where you can see it more clearly, on other male natives who are not wearing that piece around the waist.
ive noticed the same thing and i would go so far as to say it is some sort of bone structure because it looks hard as opposed to how a flap of skin wouldnt be as such. if you notice, most of the pieces they wear around their waist's are tailored so that the middle fits around the diamond shaped part in the middle. i dont know why. but it is interesting

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2010, 06:56:36 pm »
i would go so far as to say it is some sort of bone structure
Definitely, I thought so as well.

if you notice, most of the pieces they wear around their waist's are tailored so that the middle fits around the diamond shaped part in the middle. i dont know why. but it is interesting
So it seems! It is interesting.

It's a small detail, but one I absolutely loved about the Na'vi. :)

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2010, 07:41:27 pm »
Regarding to the Tsu'tey picture, It appears to me that there might be a sort of reinforcement structure possibly in, under, or connecting muscular areas. I'm assuming since they have carbon-fiber reinforced bones that the plates may be carbon plates. Assuming the Na'vi share a father back ancestry with some of the other armored creatures, they could have evolved to a much smaller and more flexible verion of the armor inside of there skin. With this increased mobility they would no long need six limbs to get around as well.

But then the arguement could be made that why don't they have both for even more mobility, I think that having 4 limbs is much easier to control than having 6. (moving 4 arms is much harder to coordinate than 2)
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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2010, 01:09:35 am »
well i dont think cooridating 6 limbs would be difficult for a creature that was born with and grew up using them

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2010, 03:04:39 am »

It looks like a fold in their skin. Here is a picture of Tsu'tey where you can clearly see it:



I had not noticed that, I'll be sure to take that into account when I do my male sculpt. :D
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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2010, 12:16:20 pm »
well i dont think cooridating 6 limbs would be difficult for a creature that was born with and grew up using them

Regardless it might get used to them but it would still be more than twice as difficult to control double the arms requiring more use of their brain power.
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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2010, 03:40:22 pm »
well i dont think cooridating 6 limbs would be difficult for a creature that was born with and grew up using them

Regardless it might get used to them but it would still be more than twice as difficult to control double the arms requiring more use of their brain power.

then i imagine that their brains would be more developed in a way that would allow them to cooridnate their limbs. if you pay attention to when the jake first goes into his avatar. they have a 3D readout of the Na'vi brain next to Jake's and you can see that they are actually structured different.

i dont know how to go about finding a picture of that scene but if anyone can, that would be appreciated. i think it fits into this topic nicely. and i dont know if many people noticed that.

i dont think its that far of a stretch maNiwotxkrr to imagine 6 armed na'vi being able to control their arms. i see it kind of like how if snakes were sentient they would wonder how we can cooridnate our 4 limbs. its really natural for us, but the snake just cant comprehend how we do it.

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Re: Examining the Proportional Differences between Na'vi, Avatars and Humans
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2010, 03:44:36 pm »
What I'm saying is that moving 2 extra limbs and coordinating them with the rest would probably require twice the brain power even though they would still see it as easy.
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