Accent

[MIPP]

We see in the movie that there are more clans than the Omaticaya clan. Actually, we saw only a couple of clans besides the Omaticaya one. As they might have slightly different cultures and they live in different places, their Na'vi could be different, no? I mean, maybe they have a different accent... At least, here on Earth, sometimes even in the same country, there are different accents. So, I think probably the different clans will have different accents and maybe different idioms?

Also, as Pandora seems to be bigger than what we saw, maybe Na'vi isn't the only language in the planet (unless the Babel Tower phenomenon didn't happen there). But, as I don't think Cameron/Frommer wants to develop a new language, maybe Na'vi will be considered the only language there...

What is your opinion?

[Stranger Come Knocking]

>.< I think they have far too much on their plates already to think about creating a whole new language.  I think that if more Clans were introduced they might have a different accent, yes, and maybe some varying vocabulary, similar to the differences of American, Canadian, British, and Australian English.  Same basic concept but varying details that can still make it a tad difficult to understand if you are just hearing them for the first time.

That's my thought.

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

well I think they might have different idioms, accents and maybe even slight changes in words and grammar, but don't forget that their culture is neolithic and I don't think the language has changed so much between clans (don't think it had the time to). after all, they also need to understand each other (the clans) in times of war or trade or just meeting.

[MIPP]

well I think they might have different idioms, accents and maybe even slight changes in words and grammar, but don't forget that their culture is neolithic and I don't think the language has changed so much between clans (don't think it had the time to). after all, they also need to understand each other (the clans) in times of war or trade or just meeting.

I have read somewhere that the Na'vi people are older than the human being, so I think they had enough time to change the language...

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

that is strange. if they live so much time, why didn't they evolve?

[MIPP]

that is strange. if they live so much time, why didn't they evolve?

They don't want and they don't need to. They could have evolved when the Sky-People arrived there and offered them many tools. But they don't want it.

[Human No More]

The neural network would still keep things far more consistent than on Earth - slightly differing accents would still appear, but the language would still be the same, and I doubt any extreme regional differences as with humans would occur either.

['Oma Tirea]

The neural network would still keep things far more consistent than on Earth - slightly differing accents would still appear, but the language would still be the same, and I doubt any extreme regional differences as with humans would occur either.

That's similar to what Kewnya Txamew'itan said a long time ago.

Several things I use to nonstandardize the Na'vi accent, all of which non-phonemically affect the language:

Whenever [k] lenites, I say [x] instead of [h].  Saying [ç] before [i], as in hinam should make sense in either case.
ts and s fortition and become ejective before other ejectives in consonant clusters.
Occasionally, around the presence of ng, a vowel may become a little nasalized, such as in a word like ftang.
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I suppose other dialects may have subtle differences in dialects, such as differences in vowel ranges, but nontheless a language that will always (roughly) sound the same

Same goes for Na'vi jargon: it tends to vary from clan to clan, but there is certainly common ground somewhere: the language itself.



T.S.  Why is it this topic seems like a déjà vu of a previous topic?

[MIPP]

T.S.  Why is it this topic seems like a déjà vu of a previous topic?

I didn't knew there was another topic like this... 

[archaic]

Necroposting versus Déjà vu. This site is anti Necroposting, so the same stuff will appear more than once sometimes, and yes, I have seen this explored before too.

[MIPP]

Necroposting versus Déjà vu. This site is anti Necroposting, so the same stuff will appear more than once sometimes, and yes, I have seen this explored before too.

So, necroposting is forbidden and so is déjà vu. Conclusion: what the heck should I do?! :p

[Kamean]

The neural network would still keep things far more consistent than on Earth - slightly differing accents would still appear, but the language would still be the same, and I doubt any extreme regional differences as with humans would occur either.

Mllte. In Project 880 Cameron writes the same. But accents may be.

['Oma Tirea]

Necroposting versus Déjà vu. This site is anti Necroposting, so the same stuff will appear more than once sometimes, and yes, I have seen this explored before too.

So, necroposting is forbidden and so is déjà vu. Conclusion: what the heck should I do?! :p

Ngari txe'lan mawey, you're fine ma MIPP   I was just saying...

BTW IMHO either legitamite necroposting or topic repetition after a long period of time is fine

Kop, I honestly can't remember the specific topic... if there ever was one here

[MIPP]

Necroposting versus Déjà vu. This site is anti Necroposting, so the same stuff will appear more than once sometimes, and yes, I have seen this explored before too.

So, necroposting is forbidden and so is déjà vu. Conclusion: what the heck should I do?! :p

Ngari txe'lan mawey, you're fine ma MIPP   I was just saying...

BTW IMHO either legitamite necroposting or topic repetition after a long period of time is fine

Kop, I honestly can't remember the specific topic... if there ever was one here

HRH. I am calm, the smiley ":p" after my sentence means I'm kind of joking with the situation. 

P.s.: Oe mllte ngaru.

[Teylar Ta Palulukankelku]

The thought has occured to me as well. For example: I've wondered if any Na'vi dialect/accent use the sound b instead of p, d instead of t and g instead of k.

A comparison:

Official Na'vi:

Oel ngati kameie.

Theoretical Na'vi:

Oel ngati gameie.

Maybe one without nasal sounds:

Oel nati kameie.

Or different vowels:

El ngäti kamaye.

What do you think  ?

[Stranger Come Knocking]

The thought has occured to me as well. For example: I've wondered if any Na'vi dialect/accent use the sound b instead of p, d instead of t and g instead of k.

A comparison:

Official Na'vi:

Oel ngati kameie.

Theoretical Na'vi:

Oel ngati gameie.

Maybe one without nasal sounds:

Oel nati kameie.

Or different vowels:

El ngäti kamaye.

What do you think  ?

That would be interesting, but how far could it really go?  Oel ngati kameie is one thing, but when conversations or books or whatever come into play, when does it stop being a dialect and start being a whole new language?

[Kamean]

Maybe. But I don't love gameie. Na'vi don't have g sound. And - in my opinion, we should not use it even theoretically.

[Teylar Ta Palulukankelku]

Maybe. But I don't love gameie. Na'vi don't have g sound. And - in my opinion, we should not use it even theoretically.

I didn't say i liked the thought of it (I really don't.). I only made a ``what if´´-statement  .

['Oma Tirea]

Maybe. But I don't love gameie. Na'vi don't have g sound. And - in my opinion, we should not use it even theoretically.

I once thought of an alternate transcription for Na'vi:

px, tx, kx → p, t, k
p, t, k → b, d, g
ng → nx (avoids any potential ambiguity)
ts → c (we know about that one)
ä → æ
ì → y
y → j
', f, h, l, ll, m, n, r, rr, s, v, w, z and all other vowels stay the same

/offtopic

[Teylar Ta Palulukankelku]

I once thought of an alternate transcription for Na'vi:

px, tx, kx → p, t, k
p, t, k → b, d, g
ng → nx (avoids any potential ambiguity)
ts → c (we know about that one)
ä → æ
ì → y
y → j
', f, h, l, ll, m, n, r, rr, s, v, w, z and all other vowels stay the same

/offtopic

My thoughts have been down roads similar to this before, but i must say your take on ``ä - æ´´, amongst other things, is quite interesting  .

Sorry for being a pain in the txìm, but i'm 99,99 % sure the phonemes ', f, h, l, m, n, r, s, v, w and z aren't vowels, they're consonants.

And FYI: I don't think your post was off-topic  .