Arguments against AVATAR and James Cameron

[Swoka Ikran]

As much as I can't understand why people would hate avatar, they might just genuinely hate it!

I can't understand how people could hate Avatar either. People who write rant and hate blogs seem to just want attention more than anything. The content on such sites is typically garbage.

Btw, can anyone help me with the language, I'm stuck!!

Ask up in the Beginners forum. I'm sure someone will help you out...

[ExLibrisMortis]

Sort of how it should have read "all men are afforded equal access and acceptance under the law" as opposed to "all men are created equal" in the US Declaration of Independence...

(going off-topic a bit) Yes, I agree.  However, if you were in a piping hot building in the middle of the summer, with no air conditioning, wearing the kind of clothes that would make you sweat buckets, would you want to take extra time to make sure that that is written in the most correct form?

Also, at the time the only people that they saw as "men" were white men (also with the presumption that they all were Christian, unfortunately).  So they were writing this out in that fashion.

... carry on...

ta Eyamsiyu

Not entirely true. The topic of slavery was actually proposed to be brought up during the drafting of the DoI and the Constitution, but those that had the inkling to bring it up, knew for a fact that those documents would never get created if that specific topic were to come up. AKA, they knew that the discussion would get so heated, and so deadlocked, that in order for the drafts that were made to actually be made, those issues were never addressed.

And is there -really- such a problem that they were deists? Reading their personal diaries, and journals, and memoirs, it rarely is ever limited the amounts of freedoms they wished to be afforded to people. In fact, it actually assisted in the expansions of freedoms to all peoples. It certainly never affected the fact that these documents were truly inspired. Where that source of inspiration is, is up for interpretation.

"all men are created equal"

Remember that all men are created equal, with certain unalienable right, such as, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. No where in there do they mention that everyone MUST be given anything. Only that we are equal in creation and must be afforded the equal chance, but we must attain, or pursue, our own happiness. By that, our endeavors, do we differentiate from each other, and gain our own levels of respect.

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

And is there -really- such a problem that they were deists? Reading their personal diaries, and journals, and memoirs, it rarely is ever limited the amounts of freedoms they wished to be afforded to people. In fact, it actually assisted in the expansions of freedoms to all peoples. It certainly never affected the fact that these documents were truly inspired. Where that source of inspiration is, is up for interpretation.

Sran, and Thomas Jefferson was a deist as well.

[Eyamsiyu]

Exlib, what I said about there being mainly Christians and some Deists was meant to mean that there was a lack of diversity in that respect, not that any particular group was bad.

[Toruk Makto]

Even though I am guilty as hell,

TOPIC...

Irayo!

[Teylar Ta Palulukankelku]

As much as I can't understand why people would hate avatar, they might just genuinely hate it!

I can't understand how people could hate Avatar either. People who write rant and hate blogs seem to just want attention more than anything. The content on such sites is typically garbage.

Mllte  ! I too feel like they're, for the most part, just doing it to give attention to themselves and they're usually quite sucssesfull at it, since Avatar is such a popular movie. Althought there are probably a few of them that actually hat it with a passion, just like i hate haters (HRH  . Contradiction. Lol  .) with a passion.

About this: Has it ever occured to you that likers are usually more friendly than haters? I mean, they troll in their stupid blogs about how terrible and immoral Avatar is  , in one sense or another, wilst we enjoy ourselves at this lovely and friendly forum, united by our passion for Avatar and our shared views, bonding like a family  .

(Sorry, ma frapo, quote fail  .)

[Ku'rända]

I know some folk who think the movie was ruined because of a 'joke' by JC in the script.   Say that using the word "unobtanium" in a movie about genocide is wrong, and therefore ruins the movie.

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

I know some folk who think the movie was ruined because of a 'joke' by JC in the script.   Say that using the word "unobtanium" in a movie about genocide is wrong, and therefore ruins the movie.

That is a snumìna reason.

[Toruk Makto]

I would have liked to see it called something else, but it didn't "ruin" the movie for me.

[Toruk Makto]

Double post...

Maybe "HardToObtainium"?

[Ekirä]

Double post...

Maybe "HardToObtainium"?

Well, the ASG explains it....

Spoiler

When the world's first high-temperature superconductor was created in the late twentieth century, it proved to be useless because of inherent instabilities. Further efforts proved futile, and the researchers finally termed their goal "unobtainium" (the spelling was later changed to "unobtanium" to conform to chemical element naming, although unobtanium is a compound, not an element). [...] discovered deposits of a high-temperature superconducting substance on an Earth-like moon named Pandora--unobtanium had been obtained at last.

Yeah, the ASG isn't exactly "canon" but I like their explanation.

[Swoka Ikran]

Well, the ASG explains it....

Spoiler

When the world's first high-temperature superconductor was created in the late twentieth century, it proved to be useless because of inherent instabilities. Further efforts proved futile, and the researchers finally termed their goal "unobtainium" (the spelling was later changed to "unobtanium" to conform to chemical element naming, although unobtanium is a compound, not an element). [...] discovered deposits of a high-temperature superconducting substance on an Earth-like moon named Pandora--unobtanium had been obtained at last.

While the name does have a back story, I still felt the name was uncreative.

When the movie takes place, the RDA had obtained it. To me, renaming would have made sense just because the name no longer reflected the substance's availability.

[Eyawng te Klltepayu]

That term has been used to describe fictional materials with desirable properties for a fair few decades now. Within the reality of the film it's a popular colloquialism derived from this usage.

...joke name of "unobtanium" has stuck, over the years.

...to mine a precious superconducting mineral called, colloquially, "unobtanium"

[Teylar Ta Palulukankelku]

I know some folk who think the movie was ruined because of a 'joke' by JC in the script.   Say that using the word "unobtanium" in a movie about genocide is wrong, and therefore ruins the movie.

That is a snumìna reason. 

Why would it really, in any f***ing way matter  ?! Why does it matter if something called ``Unobtanium´´ is featured in ``a movie about genocide´´  ?! If those are gonna reason like that then they soon will have no more movies to enjoy. They ruin it for themselves by getting pissed off by such things  ! Poor souls  !

And i agree with Tsäroltxe, that reason is snumìna  !

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

I know some folk who think the movie was ruined because of a 'joke' by JC in the script.   Say that using the word "unobtanium" in a movie about genocide is wrong, and therefore ruins the movie.

That is a snumìna reason.

What is the problem with "unobtanium"? I had never heard the word before and have no idea what it represents.

[ExLibrisMortis]

Yeah, the ASG isn't exactly "canon" but I like their explanation.

Actually Cameron gave his blessing on the contents of that book. Not the language so much, but the other stuff... yes.

problem with "unobtanium"? I had never heard the word before and have no idea what it represents.

Unobtanium is a word that exists within the schools of engineering and physics. When engineers are designing something, say for extra-terrestrial activities, and are trying to make this thing work, but the known elements and compounds of today just don't have the right properties needed, they fill it in with "unobtanium". It's really a catch-all term meaning something that would be perfect in a situation (i.e. an undiscovered metallic compound, a yet to be attained plastic combination, etc.) but is just not around yet. That's why Cameron used the term unobtanium. To have a room temperature super conductor like Unobtanium would be an answer to SOOO many energy issues of the world. Such as the power grid in America, where only 30% of the electricity that is generated, actually makes it to the sockets of your home, work, etc. And the majority of that is to blame on the effeciency, or lack there of, of the currently used materials.

[Ekirä]

Unobtanium is a word that exists within the schools of engineering and physics. When engineers are designing something, say for extra-terrestrial activities, and are trying to make this thing work, but the known elements and compounds of today just don't have the right properties needed, they fill it in with "unobtanium". It's really a catch-all term meaning something that would be perfect in a situation (i.e. an undiscovered metallic compound, a yet to be attained plastic combination, etc.) but is just not around yet. That's why Cameron used the term unobtanium. To have a room temperature super conductor like Unobtanium would be an answer to SOOO many energy issues of the world. Such as the power grid in America, where only 30% of the electricity that is generated, actually makes it to the sockets of your home, work, etc. And the majority of that is to blame on the effeciency, or lack there of, of the currently used materials.

Yes! Thank you, that's what I wanted to say but I didn't remember how accurate it was.

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

Oh, I see! Now I understand better. Irayo

[archaic]

How about 'High Temperature Superconductive Centuarile Pandorite' or 'H.T.S.C.P.' for short.

Not saying where these appear.



Does anyone other than Selfridge actually call it 'Unobtainium'? He also calls it 'Cheddar'.

[Ekirä]

How about 'High Temperature Superconductive Centuarile Pandorite' or 'H.T.S.C.P.' for short.

Not saying where these appear.



Does anyone other than Selfridge actually call it 'Unobtainium'? He also calls it 'Cheddar'.

This is why we're here. Unobtanium. Because this little gray rock sells for 20 million a kilo.