Arguments against AVATAR and James Cameron

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The 'not mammals' comes from a single remark in an interview, which I do not take to be canon, especially when the survival guide (as well as general observations from the film and images) go against those. The Na'vi certainly don't lay eggs anyway :P
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ExLibrisMortis

You may not take it as canon, but that's your opinion to have. It's from cameron and it is his conception on why the movie and the world it contains is. Also, regarding the ASG, Caneron's input in the book didn't even come until the end of the book's creation, and even then it was more of a "look over and approve" thing than major input. It was written and compiled by some peoplethat fox commissioned to do it.

You may choose to not accept what is, but it is as Caneron said.

Tsuksìm atsawl (KaPTan)

again, SUPER THREAD DERAILMENT!!!!  yes, i love this and this is interesting, but it truly belongs in the biology section.  it really isn't arguments against avatar, it arguments on their BIOLOGY!!!


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Is there a way that this part of the topic can be teased out and made into a separate topic?
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Txur’Itan

On topic or not.  JC probably has this concept clear in his mind.

Non-Placental Mammal

The class Mammalia (mammals) is divided into two subclasses based on reproductive techniques: egg-laying mammals (monotremes) and mammals which give live birth (therians). The latter subclass is divided into two infraclasses: pouched mammals (marsupials) and placental mammals (eutherians).

This list is, as yet, incomplete. However for reasons of space, it has been broken into two sections:

List of placental mammals
List of monotremes and marsupials (non-placental mammals)

I give you the following link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals
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Is there even a biology section on this site? I didn't see it but Simone could create a thread in the science section for this discussion  ;)

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Teylar Ta Palulukankelku

Wanted to post here to show my interest. I don't want this thread to die  :'(!!!

Another thing:
QuoteTo people who ask "won't they run out of oxygen for their masks after the humans leave?": The masks do not supply the oxygen, which the atmosphere already has, they only filter out dangerous elements which would otherwise kill the humans.

Actually, a friend of mine also thought about this problem, i thought what he said made sense. But then, after a few months, i thought: ``Hey  :o! Maybe the masks have air filters!´´. (I've heard about gas masks that filter out dangerous substances in Chemistry class at school.)
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Quote from: Teylar Ta Palulukankelku on December 06, 2010, 03:05:38 PM
Wanted to post here to show my interest. I don't want this thread to die  :'(!!!

Another thing:
QuoteTo people who ask "won't they run out of oxygen for their masks after the humans leave?": The masks do not supply the oxygen, which the atmosphere already has, they only filter out dangerous elements which would otherwise kill the humans.

Actually, a friend of mine also thought about this problem, i thought what he said made sense. But then, after a few months, i thought: ``Hey  :o! Maybe the masks have air filters!´´. (I've heard about gas masks that filter out dangerous substances in Chemistry class at school.)

if you notice when your looking at the mask, it has a hose connected to it.  this hose is connected to a little box.  this box filters our the bad stuff.
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Srane :P

There are no air tanks on an exopack, there's nowhere for oxygen to be stores, plus that would make absolutely no sense when Pandora has a breathable oxygen atmosphere :P
The exopack has a filter which removes CO2 and H2S from the air, and the survival guide says just needs occasional cleaning for it to keep working.
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Teylar Ta Palulukankelku

Quoteif you notice when your looking at the mask, it has a hose connected to it.  this hose is connected to a little box.  this box filters our the bad stuff.

Never thought of it. I should have a look at that the next time i see some pics. of humans in Pandoran atmosphere or watch the movie.
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There are no air tanks on an exopack, there's nowhere for oxygen to be stores, plus that would make absolutely no sense when Pandora has a breathable oxygen atmosphere
The exopack has a filter which removes CO2 and H2S from the air, and the survival guide says just needs occasional cleaning for it to keep working.

Mllte, that makes sense  ;D! There are masks that works like that IRL. They're used i.e. for workers who handle toxic stuff.
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On the issue of Avatar being pagan, paganism is the same as polytheism, A.K.A. beliving in more than one deity. The Na'vi belive only in one goddess.

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Quote from: Jake on December 12, 2010, 01:41:44 PM
The Na'vi belive only in one goddess.
I was thinking about this and wonder if "believe" is really the right word here...the Na'vi know that Eywa exists, so it's more of a fact to them ("Eywa is their goddess").
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Quote from: Swoka Ikran on December 12, 2010, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Jake on December 12, 2010, 01:41:44 PM
The Na'vi belive only in one goddess.
I was thinking about this and wonder if "believe" is really the right word here...the Na'vi know that Eywa exists, so it's more of a fact to them ("Eywa is their goddess").

This makes me wonder if there are any Na'vi that don't believe in Eywa....

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Quote from: Ekirä on December 12, 2010, 02:11:05 PM
This makes me wonder if there are any Na'vi that don't believe in Eywa....
I've wondered the same thing...

If Na'vi who don't believe in Eywa existed, I wonder how they'd explain the events on their planet, and what they'd even call their planet (Na'vi who didn't believe in Eywa likely wouldn't want to call it Eywa'eveng)
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Teylar Ta Palulukankelku

Ma Ekirä, i think the Na'vi think seeing is believing (They think Eywa exists because they can commune with her through the trees). Good question, though  ;D.
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Presumably they could just ask the consciousness if it exists (which would be akin to going up to a person and asking if they exist), and presumably Eywa would respond in the affirmative ;)
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Ekirä

Quote from: Muzer on December 12, 2010, 03:27:40 PM
Presumably they could just ask the consciousness if it exists (which would be akin to going up to a person and asking if they exist), and presumably Eywa would respond in the affirmative ;)

Presumably. ;) But maybe there are disbelievers out there--that just believe that life is life and isn't controlled by what the other people call "Eywa".