Arguments against AVATAR and James Cameron

[Txontaw]

Yea, that's what many of the coments on there said, and the polls on the side suggest that most of the people there weren't on mr protestors side.

I've been reading the comments, and it's been pretty funny.

They aren't defending themselves against the legitimate arguments that have come up, with leads me to believe that this is simply a grasp for 15 minutes of fame.

[Toruk Makto]

Here, i've found it: http://stopavatarmovie.blogspot.com/

Tell me your thoughts about this.

 My thought is that it is a complete crock of "post digestion detritus". I am not anti-anything, much less anti-gay, but protesting Avatar on this basis is the most profound logical disconnect I have seen in a long time. And yes, I did read through the blogs (oh, the pain... the pain!). To quote Wm Annis, it is pretty much all "airy, fact-free bloviation".

 There are dozens of examples of said logical disconnect, but the most ironic (and humorous) is:

2) Avatar ignores the fact of Evolution. Humans are evolving to be being Transgender, NOT heterosexual,

 Besides the fact the film doesn't even address the "fact of Evolution", The silly cow[sic] behind this blog has apparently missed the fact that if humans evolve into a transgender species, evolution will cease when reproduction ceases (duh). Actually, she missed that fact going full speed.

 I think the most impressive aspect of this blog is it's ignominious lack of attention on the net. Rant blogs are a dime a dozen on their best day and this one is on the frickin' clearance table.

 Meh.



   ta Markì

[Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn]

I have to say, that blog is some grade A bull.

Here are some excerpts:

Diversity, tolerance and health care are basic human rights and Avatar directly and indirectly assaulted those rights.

EFC (Earth: Final Conflict) was a remarkable program in that instead of giving us stereotypical alien "male" or "female" gender characterizations it provided a more realistic and acceptable portrayal of evolved intelligent life.

We also ask that you give Brokeback Mountain the Oscar award for Best Film that it was denied a few years ago.  Everyone knows that Brokeback Mountain is a better and more significant film than Crash.

"'Avatar' asks us to see that everything is connected, all human beings to each other, and us to the Earth. And if you have to go four and a half light years to another, made-up planet to appreciate this miracle of the world that we have right here, well, you know what, that's the wonder of cinema right there, that's the magic," -James Cameron

If only his words were backed up by his film.  Cameron's Avatar provides us with a narrow vision of humanity, one without gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals or transgender people.  It promotes the idea that intelligent and sentient beings on another world would be heterosexual.  It promotes violence.  It ignores the possibilities, the realities and the diversity of human society and sexuality. 

If James Cameron really believed that all humans and the Earth were "connected" we would not be having this debate or these protests.

Ideally, there would not be films with divisive or narrow-minded perspectives such as Avatar.  One idea that has been floated about and one that I support is the Diversity and Fairness Act (DAFA).   DAFA would be a series of laws and guidelines to make sure that a book, a film, a radio program, a web site or any form of mass media or communication does not offend or promote messages of exclusion of hate.

I'm tolerant when it comes to things like religion, sexuality, ethnicity, etc. but one of the only things I don't tolerate is idiocy.

Honestly, I have no clue as to how Avatar in the remotest sense is in any way connected to being against health care.

Never in my life ever seen such hypocrisy as on that blog.

It was certainly a laugh to read though. 

[Eyamsiyu]

This person on this blog comes across to me as someone who is an activist, so much so to the point where (s)he is just annoying with it.  She probably is also one of the many people who will manipulate anything and everything to fit his/her cause, and would also abuse the First Amendment (right to free speech).

[Vawm tsamsiyu]

Perhaps he/she is a member of the tin foil hat clan
And the part about killing our freedom of speech was angering >


Still amusing to read tho 

[Toruk Makto]

I think the orbiting mind control lasers of that secret unknown branch of the government is a MUCH bigger threat than Avatar...

Oy oy...


Markì

[Eyamsiyu]

I think the orbiting mind control lasers of that secret unknown branch of the government is a MUCH bigger threat than Avatar...

Or these secret weapons of the government:

Spoiler

Now Tawtewng needs to show up...

[Teylar Ta Palulukankelku]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this  .

Eywa ayngahu  .

[archaic]

It's basically on the same level as the suggestion that Avatar is satanic.

If it wasn't so tragically pathetic it could almost be funny.

[Teylar Ta Palulukankelku]

Why do i get the feeling that it's becoming all reversed now?

As in: In a socio-historical point of view, it has always been the majority whom has harassed the social-, religious-, ethnic and sexual minorities. Now it's all going in reverse:

Black people comitting rasism towards whites  .

HBT-people harassing straight people for their sexual orientation  .

Maybe i'm delusional. Maybe not. Please, tell me what you think.   

[Vawm tsamsiyu]

Yea it's reversing. And they want the world to revolve around them because their a minority and that makes them think there special and should get special treatment

[Eyamsiyu]

I mean, I'm a big fan of equality.  But trying to completely reverse the spectrum is kind of wrong, IMO.

[Sіr. Ηaxalot]

First comment on "Is Toy Story 3 anti-gay? " is perfect

They see me trollin...they hatin...

[nawma skxawng]

Holy crap is that idiotic, I have to meet whoever came up with that bs, just to figure out why, and how, anyone here know who made that up?

And also they seem to want them to be dominant, and not having equality, because equality is where everyone is EQUAL, isn't it?

['Oma Tirea]

And also they seem to want them to be dominant, and not having equality, because equality is where everyone is EQUAL, isn't it?

There is actually a subtle distinction to be made between equality and equity.  The former is where everyone is equal, and the latter is where everyone is treated equal.  I'm quite sure you & Eyamsiyu meant the latter.

[Toruk Makto]

Sort of how it should have read "all men are afforded equal access and acceptance under the law" as opposed to "all men are created equal" in the US Declaration of Independence...

I believe that all men (and women) are *not* created equal, but that all should be treated with what respect and honor they have earned.

But that's just me...

ta Markì

[Eyamsiyu]

Sort of how it should have read "all men are afforded equal access and acceptance under the law" as opposed to "all men are created equal" in the US Declaration of Independence...

(going off-topic a bit) Yes, I agree.  However, if you were in a piping hot building in the middle of the summer, with no air conditioning, wearing the kind of clothes that would make you sweat buckets, would you want to take extra time to make sure that that is written in the most correct form?

Also, at the time the only people that they saw as "men" were white men (also with the presumption that they all were Christian, unfortunately).  So they were writing this out in that fashion.

... carry on...

ta Eyamsiyu

[Toruk Makto]

Wow. You may be right. The USDofI was written in a time of very narrow viewpoint among the "founding fathers". That would explain much of why the founding documentation of the US is so dated sounding in modern times.

ta Markì

[Toruk Makto]

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[Breezer]

As much as I can't understand why people would hate avatar, they might just genuinely hate it! Btw, can anyone help me with the language, I'm stuck!!