If Your Avatar Dies...

Started by Eana Ketuwong, June 29, 2011, 10:33:25 PM

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Amaya

You're overlooking something fairly basic here: the psychosomatic effect.  Even if the human body is in REM the AVTR experience would be closer to lucid dreaming than "normal" dreaming.  I urge you, before you make any more assumptions, to read some of the available background technical information in the Activist Survival Guide (ignore the language information) or the  Pandorapedia online.

Irtaviš Ačankif

I meant lucid dreaming...  ;D I am studying lucid dreaming...

The reason why I just said ordinary dreaming because when I say "lucid dreaming" to most people here in China they effectively call me an Inception-addicted skxawng  :'(

Probably more realistic than lucid dreaming, unless the link has some problems and transmits unclear pictures. Dreams are created by the brain and get unrealistic if they become too complex.

By the way, I think that I am working on the first hint of Avatar technology. I am trying to develop a system allowing two-way communication between a lucid dreamer and somebody awake... intensive training and very primitive results (two words per minute Morse code) though. Ayskawng Not Welcome.

By the other way, why couldn't the RDA use an EMP to interfere with the link? I would like to see Jake's vision being reduced to VHS quality and crashing his Toruk into the mountains because he couldn't control himself....
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Quote from: Amaya on July 08, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
You're overlooking something fairly basic here: the psychosomatic effect.  Even if the human body is in REM the AVTR experience would be closer to lucid dreaming than "normal" dreaming.  I urge you, before you make any more assumptions, to read some of the available background technical information in the Activist Survival Guide (ignore the language information) or the  Pandorapedia online.
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Quote from: Amaya on July 08, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
You're overlooking something fairly basic here: the psychosomatic effect.  Even if the human body is in REM the AVTR experience would be closer to lucid dreaming than "normal" dreaming.  I urge you, before you make any more assumptions, to read some of the available background technical information in the Activist Survival Guide (ignore the language information) or the  Pandorapedia online.
I already pointed that issue out - but that does not cause direct physical equivalence on the human body. If you break your leg while linked, your human leg won't break, although thinking you broke it is still plausible. 'Dying' would not be pleasant, but not fatal as at the very least, the body would still be alive even if the user was not responding via a similar effect.
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Amaya

Not guaranteed fatal, no, but possibly fatal due to neural feedback or other side effects like myocardiac infarct? Absolutely.

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archaic

So the stress of your death might kill you?
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Irtaviš Ačankif

No. If you practice lucid dreaming you will know.

If you get yourself killed in a dream, it will hurt A LOT in the dream, which will continue for like ~2 secs after you are awake, but you will not die from neural overload or anything. This discussion is just a branch off from the old-school "If you die in your dream you really die" myth.

Lucid dreaming is so vivid it really seems like you are dying. However, there is no life to be lost, neither will there be a billion-dollar avatar to lose...
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Name from my Sakaš conlang, from Sakasul Ältäbisäl Acarankïp

"First name" is Ačankif, not Eltabiš! In Na'vi, Atsankip.

Clarke

I'm not sure it even makes sense for you to be able to die in a dream, for the same reason you can't strange yourself; If you do, your consciousness shuts down (i.e. you faint) and the rest of your body starts putting everything back together.

Irtaviš Ačankif

I have done it before  ;D in lucid dreams you can control the dreams, so even if you can't die in ordinary dreams you can in lucid ones - you basically transfer control from the subconscious to the conscious. Just summon a bunch of Mafia or palulukan, whatever, to kill you. It hurts, and then you wake up.
Previously Ithisa Kīranem, Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng.

Name from my Sakaš conlang, from Sakasul Ältäbisäl Acarankïp

"First name" is Ačankif, not Eltabiš! In Na'vi, Atsankip.

Raiden

The psychosomatic thing wouldn't kill you. It would have to cause something to happen to one of your vital systems for that to happen.

Like a disruption of the nerves that coordinate your heartbeat, or something that would cause your trachea to close. There isn't any kind of damage that it could cause to the brain physically; while I suppose the side effects could cause a stroke or an aneurism in people who were predisposed or at risk for it, it couldn't cause any physical damage to one's central nervous system in itself.

On the other hand, much like the character that was supposed to be Trudy/Norm in project 880 (the guy who became mentally impaired due to a death while linked) who was taken out of the plot, it could cause very serious and very real psychological ailments

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Amaya

Those stress-linked effects are what I'm talking about, especially with avatar drivers who spend large portions of their day totally sedentary which already puts them at higher risk of DVT and its attendant conditions like stroke and myocardial infarct.