Pagan youth service uses world of Avatar to pray for our own

[Puvomun]

I found this link today. It's something that says something:

Pagan youth service uses world of Avatar to pray for our own.

Eywa ngahu

[Dreamlight]

Excellent article.  Thank you for sharing.

[Swoka Ikran]

Interesting read. Thanks for that.

[P.A.'li makto]

You see? AVATAR is everywhere! And anyway, it's worth trying...!

[Puvomun]

Avatar did attract a lot of attention from pagans (I am one of them). I found the link to this article in a pagan newsfeed. :-)

[P.A.'li makto]

I'm pagan, too, in the sence that I'm not christened. But hey, what's the name of the Na'vi's religion? And how can one be .. you know... of that religion?

[Puvomun]

Kaltxì and merry meet, ma 'eylan.

I'm pagan, too, in the sence that I'm not christened. But hey, what's the name of the Na'vi's religion? And how can one be .. you know... of that religion?

Good question. In the Guide I have not yet seen a mention of the name for their religion. Perhaps because it is such a part of their way of life they don't have to name it. Maybe they don't have to name it as there is no other religion to distinguish it from?

My feeling is that when you want to connect to nature and Nature the way the Na'vi do, you are already on the way. Achieving full tsaheylu will be difficult as we don't have the tail, nor the trees to connect it too, but the desire for harmony with nature and doing what you can to achieve that is a big step. In my opinion at least.

Eywa ngahu...

[Muzer]

I found this link today. It's something that says something:

Just reading that line out of context makes the whole thing much more fun

[P.A.'li makto]

Kaltxì and merry meet, ma 'eylan.

I'm pagan, too, in the sence that I'm not christened. But hey, what's the name of the Na'vi's religion? And how can one be .. you know... of that religion?

Good question. In the Guide I have not yet seen a mention of the name for their religion. Perhaps because it is such a part of their way of life they don't have to name it. Maybe they don't have to name it as there is no other religion to distinguish it from?

My feeling is that when you want to connect to nature and Nature the way the Na'vi do, you are already on the way. Achieving full tsaheylu will be difficult as we don't have the tail, nor the trees to connect it too, but the desire for harmony with nature and doing what you can to achieve that is a big step. In my opinion at least.

Eywa ngahu...

I hope you're right, 'cause I really feel desire to connect myself to something similar to Eywa. So...

Eywa  ngahu sí oehu...

[Nusumea Tirea]

Thank you for the article. I think it's a good idea because it gives people who don't know anything about this kind of ritual a sort of base understanding.

I hope you're right, 'cause I really feel desire to connect myself to something similar to Eywa. So...

Eywa  ngahu sí oehu...

Well we don't have a queue so we can't directly connect that way.
But there are other ways in which we can communicate with everything around us.
Try to talk to a tree, it's amazing what they can tell you.
If you are looking (and listning), everything around you is alive and you can communicate with it.
All the "old ways" like druids, shamans (to name two) knew that.
It's something what got lost but there are more and more people who remember  (I'm one of them)


Eywa ngahu

[Puvomun]

Oe ngati kameieh, ma tsmukan,

I am glad the article was written and posted, and that Eywa guided me to it.

Well we don't have a queue so we can't directly connect that way.
But there are other ways in which we can communicate with everything around us.
Try to talk to a tree, it's amazing what they can tell you.
If you are looking (and listning), everything around you is alive and you can communicate with it.
All the "old ways" like druids, shamans (to name two) knew that.
It's something what got lost but there are more and more people who remember  (I'm one of them)

Tìngay lu... some people laugh about these things, nìkeftxo. They are real.
Go into the na'rìng, close your menari. Listen, smell, feel. Touch a tree without holding back, lean your forehead against it. Hold a handful of pebbles from a stream and feel what they tell you, where they've been.

Meoauniaea ulte fpom!

Kiyevame...

[Muzer]

I have had that feeling - my guess is that it's our natural, safest habitat, so we would have evolved to feel much more peace and harmony in a forest than out in the open (where it would be much easier for predators to catch us) or in any other environment. That isn't to say that forests aren't great - my scientific explanation (which is quite possibly wrong - I haven't done any research other than personal experience and thought) doesn't in any way detract from the beauty of nature. To quote David Attenborough: "Science makes it more wonderful, not less".

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

I'm pagan, too, in the sence that I'm not christened. But hey, what's the name of the Na'vi's religion? And how can one be .. you know... of that religion?

The religion appears to be a nature worship. So, in that light, you could choose anyone of those on Earth. But, unless you suddenly grow to be ten feet tall with blue skin, cat-like features and a queue for connecting with Eywa, I think all of us will be a little lacking 

[P.A.'li makto]

I found this link today. It's something that says something:

Pagan youth service uses world of Avatar to pray for our own.

Eywa ngahu

So, do or don't you think this prayer will help?

[Dreamlight]

As a pagan myself, I certainly hope so.

[Muzer]

I do love nature a lot, but I don't believe there is anything mystical about it - it's very extraordinary indeed, but it is all explainable. However, I'm perfectly happy with Pagans - you're much better than evangelical Christians after all, and respecting nature is something I'm sure all of us could do a lot more of that would really benefit the world, even if the means isn't something I agree with.

[Rain]

I really find myself leaning towards a pagan-like faith. I know that I have been for years, but I guess I just didn't have the drive or the "spark" to really go that way. Yes I do attend a Baptist church on the occassion, and I'm pretty open-minded as far as religion and faith goes, but I just see more "evidence" for a more life-based life force or entity. My friends think I'm odd because I claim that God is a woman, but then I explain that women are the bringers of life and that some of the world's oldest religions worshipped a mother-figure. Therefore, I find this acceptance of an Eywa-like being to be easy. I have had a lot of exposure to Wicca as well as other "pagan" religions, like the Native American belief systems. And it seems to me that "Harm None" is just all the Commandments rolled up into one easy-to-remember teaching.

It is true that the world around us has a message for us, and we just have to listen. You can tell by the smell of the air that rain is coming. You can count the number of times a cricket sings and figure the outside temperature, and you can feel when something is coming. The Earth gives us everything we need to survive, even thrive, but in return we should listen to her.

[Amaya]

I do love nature a lot, but I don't believe there is anything mystical about it - it's very extraordinary indeed, but it is all explainable. However, I'm perfectly happy with Pagans - you're much better than evangelical Christians after all, and respecting nature is something I'm sure all of us could do a lot more of that would really benefit the world, even if the means isn't something I agree with.

Hmm...here's a little food for thought for you...  I'll attempt to explain some of my UPG about the "mystical" nature of...well...nature.  From a scientific standpoint, when you break everything down, ultimately everything is either energy or matter (well, even matter is based off energy, if you think about it a certain way) and between matter and energy, energy is the thing which "controls" matter.  Which is to say energy can change matter.  Think about thinking.  As Grace would say, it's "signal transduction": Energy passes along the "matter" of your brain cells, between them, and in some poorly-understood process, "consciousness" occurs.  If thoughts are energy and it has been proven that energy changes in one atom can directly effect energy changes in other atoms thousands or even millions of miles away, how is it surprising that even without a "worldwide network" as obvious as Eywa, there is still very rudimentary "thought" within plants, and between them as well, using chemical signals.  By opening your mind, it is possible to "read" the world around you, but more than that, with enough focus, (and a LOT of training) it is possible to use your own energy (thought energy as I described earlier, the signal transduction of your own neural network) to affect the energy of other things.  It's all a matter of "doing" rather than "trying".  Now, personally I'm not able to affect nature (mostly because my understanding of the energy is limited and I'm admittedly lazy) but I am able to use my energy and the free energy in the world around me to do very basic healing.  It's most effective on things like pain where I'm working directly with nerves.

So yeah anyway long rambling discussion aside, in my mind it all comes down to energy.

Sorry if anyone found this off-topic.  To be more on-topic, this sounds like a wonderful project, if somewhat silly, but as long as they are taking it in a serious bent then I have confidence they have succeeded in their endeavor.

[Muzer]

Offtopic alert:

Spoiler

Well, yes, theoretically you can control atoms with thought, but there are so many atoms in the universe that the ones that the atoms in your brain happen to be entangled with (I believe you were describing quantum entanglement there, correct me if I'm wrong) are likely to be so far apart and so far away that they aren't going to do anything useful. The placebo effect is incredibly powerful and well-documented so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the cause of your healing - it really is an amazing thing that merely thinking you will be healed makes it so, whether it's from minor pains or a major, but recoverable, disease. The brain really is an amazing thing, and it just goes to show that a little determination can do a lot. In a way this isn't too dissimilar from what you were saying, just without the whole organised control of matter hypothesis. Make what you want of this - as I said, I am not at all against Paganism so I'm not setting out to undermine your beliefs or anything - I just thought I would try to have an interesting conversation, so please don't be put off. As I said, the Earth could do with more people like you who show respect for nature - I'm simply putting across the point that you don't have to be a Pagan to truly appreciate its wonder and subtlety, but that Paganism is simply one way of doing it.

Edit: and as for an Eywa-style central intelligence, who knows? It's likely to be many years, if ever, until scientists prove it conclusively one way or another. In any case, if there is one, he/she/it is (very unfortunately) probably powerless to prevent the destruction of forests, climate change etc. - otherwise there would be many more left and much fewer humans. Either that or he/she/it is just very slow (a few thousand years reaction time...), or has another reason for not killing us all off.

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

Offtopic alert:

Spoiler

Well, yes, theoretically you can control atoms with thought, but there are so many atoms in the universe that the ones that the atoms in your brain happen to be entangled with (I believe you were describing quantum entanglement there, correct me if I'm wrong) are likely to be so far apart and so far away that they aren't going to do anything useful. The placebo effect is incredibly powerful and well-documented so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the cause of your healing - it really is an amazing thing that merely thinking you will be healed makes it so, whether it's from minor pains or a major, but recoverable, disease. The brain really is an amazing thing, and it just goes to show that a little determination can do a lot. In a way this isn't too dissimilar from what you were saying, just without the whole organised control of matter hypothesis. Make what you want of this - as I said, I am not at all against Paganism so I'm not setting out to undermine your beliefs or anything - I just thought I would try to have an interesting conversation, so please don't be put off. As I said, the Earth could do with more people like you who show respect for nature - I'm simply putting across the point that you don't have to be a Pagan to truly appreciate its wonder and subtlety, but that Paganism is simply one way of doing it.

Edit: and as for an Eywa-style central intelligence, who knows? It's likely to be many years, if ever, until scientists prove it conclusively one way or another. In any case, if there is one, he/she/it is (very unfortunately) probably powerless to prevent the destruction of forests, climate change etc. - otherwise there would be many more left and much fewer humans. Either that or he/she/it is just very slow (a few thousand years reaction time...), or has another reason for not killing us all off.

*Brain explodes trying to understand quantum entanglement*