palulukan bonding

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

kaltxì fraporu!!
don't know if that is the right place to post this since most of the time I spend to the language itself and I'm not familiar with this part of the site.

so, I am writing a story about a thanator, and now I have trouble since I haven't yet seen the movie, and I don't know how a bonding between a Na'vi and a thanator happens. I mean, he's the king of the forest and kills everybody so how does it happen. I need that for the story.

so without spoilers (please) explain me rutxe.

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

Would this thread help you?

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

I think it does. irayo.
if anyone wants to say more, your welcome. it will help me a lot.

[Eana Ketuwong]

The thanator is a fierce creature and will most likely kill anything in it's past, so I can imagine making tsaheylu with it is quite difficult. I'll explain to you what MIGHT happen without spoiling the movie: Two ways, the rider is peacefully chosen by the beast, or the rider has a hell of a time trying to capture and successfully making tsaheylu.
The capture it:
The rider hides in the trees, waiting for it to come close enough, and jumps down, stunning the beast with kicking it in a vital area...and no, I'm not referring to it's...parts...but stun it, then make tsaheylu would be an easier option? Hope I helped and please watch the scene! Good luck with your story.

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

irayo nìtxan.

[Human No More]

Well, it isn't something that regularly happens, without spoiling, I will just say it happens for the first time in Avatar.

In order to bond with a thanator, they would either need to take it by surprise somehow, as it is far stronger and could easily fight hte Na'vi off if they tried to directly, or the thanator might willingly allow it. I would imagine that it has very strong instinct though, so the bond may well be quite strongly two-way in terms of feeling.

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

thank you. actually I already posted my story in the "NìNa'vi Nì'aw" section under the name "Vur Palulukanä".
but still this is really interesting and thanks again everybody.

[Lora Syulang]

Something different, an injured one you have found, freshly injured because nothing would survive long in that state on Pandora, and you feed it to get up close to it to make the bond. Gotta be quick before you become the meal! O.K. , so you already posted your story but I thought I'd just put it out there. 

[Lora Syulang]

Or, you can just bait it first and while it is eating make your attempt. I realized after my first post that the last scenario was by chance or fate, depending on how fko views it. This one makes for fko actively seeking it. Oh well, it's just an opinion. 

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

in my opinion this actually happens in coincidence. no Na'vi would like to get close to a thanator. so I think it's just a coincidence. somwhat similar to love.

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

in my opinion this actually happens in coincidence. no Na'vi would like to get close to a thanator. so I think it's just a coincidence. somwhat similar to love.

At least not willingly. A Na'vi would be quite an easy meal for a thanator.

[Vawm tsamsiyu]

It's probably similar to making tsaheylu with a toruk, if it didn't "invite" you you'd have to suprise it. And it would have to choose you back.

[Flewway]

I'd say that it's similar to making the tsaheylu with a toruk just like the person above. If you aren't "invited" then you'll have to suprise it or die in the process. I can imagine that it'd be a difficult way to make a bond with one. The Na'vi don't seem like they'd be willing to get that close to a thanator, so it probably doesn't happen often.

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

I am going to take a different tack here, based on my experience with large `Rrtan carnivores. We really did not see enough of thanators in the film to know what their true nature is like.

If you look at large `Rrtan carnivores, like the big cats, you will find that they are ferocious only when they need to be. The rest of the time, they are peaceful and enjoy peace. In fact, with the cats, hunting, killing and eating other animals is just a matter-of-fact part of their existence. Devouring a strumbeest to them is just like a cow eating grass or us sawtute eating a sandwich. This kind of matter-of-factness can be seen in the film where Jake is initially just an obstacle in the way of the thanator getting at a herd of hammerhead. The thanator probably ignored Jake because Na`vi are very slight-of-build (therefore not a lot of meat on them) where as a hammerhead is a veritable feast. (Large `Rrtan carnivores are that way, too. They prefer to take the largest prey they can catch because there is more to eat, and larger-bodied prey 'keeps' longer for additional meals.) As I recall, it is only because Jake does something that the thanator really takes notice of him.

Most people in our world that have worked with captive big cats know that they will readily build friendships with humans. Some of these friendships will become quite intense. A 'virtual tsaheylu' if you will. As a result of what we have learned about these animals, we find today that it is possible to befriend wild large carnivores, especially lions (cf Dave Salmoni). There are also some historical accounts of wild lions and humans becoming friends. The Biblical scholar Jerome supposedly shared a cave with a lion, who brought him food. (Some lions, especially in historic times, lived in caves and had a different social structure than plains prides. Among other things, the males do most of the hunting.) The tale of Androcles and the lion has some basis in fact, because there is a story recorded in Roman literature about a lion who refused to kill a person in the Colosseum, but rather befriended him. Caesar commanded the man and his lion be set free, and they were allowed to walk the streets of Rome together. Lastly, a friend of mine who does big cat behavorial research tells me that many years ago in the far East, parents who had to go into the fields to work would entrust certain wild tigers who they had come to know, with protecting their children. Although a little far-fetched, it is certainly believable, given that these kinds of people lived 'much closer to the earth' than we do.

So, lets transfer all of this to Pandora. Although Palulukan tusaron lu hrrap, one that isn't hunting might not be so dangerous. If the fear of these creatures can be put aside (which maybe the Na`vi people haven't quite done, given the wide margin they give these creatures), and replaced with the proper kind of respect, it might be quite possible to befriend a wild thanator (thus my Na`vi name, `Eylan Ayfalulukanä - Thanators' Friend). This might also be applicable to Ikran, in the future, where you choose an Ikran by befriending it, and it then allows you to make tsaheylu with it.

There is a game going on somewhere in these boards. A large number of different Na`vi tribes are recognized in the 'world' of this game, and one of them is the Palulukan aymaktoyu.

As I see it, Neytiri might be the first Palulukan Makto, but I sorta doubt she will be the last.

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

I really tend to that way of thinking myself, but a thanator is still not completely feline-like. in the movie, Eywa has sent the thanator to help against the sawtute. so we don't know for sure what would happen otherwise. just like toruks, thanators are in the top predators of their habitat so they probably like to hunt for themselves and be free. bonding with a Na'vi means always being in calling range of him and not going to far. so I think it might be possible to befriend a palulukan but just for a while, just like Jake and the toruk.

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

I really tend to that way of thinking myself, but a thanator is still not completely feline-like. in the movie, Eywa has sent the thanator to help against the sawtute. so we don't know for sure what would happen otherwise. just like toruks, thanators are in the top predators of their habitat so they probably like to hunt for themselves and be free. bonding with a Na'vi means always being in calling range of him and not going to far. so I think it might be possible to befriend a palulukan but just for a while, just like Jake and the toruk.

I am going by conjecture here. My suspicion is that once a bond has been made that there will always be a relationship, or the possibility of a relationship, once tsaheylu has been made with an animal. So although Jake set toruk free when he was no longer needed, I bet that they will always be good friends, and that toruk will always come should Jake need him. I would also not be surprised if they occasionally go flying together simply because they are now friends.

All that said, we see that there are differing degrees of relationships between Na`vi and animals. Pa`li seem to be uncommitted to any specific person. Who knows what palulukan would be like-- it didn't live long enough for us to find out 

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

yeah of course they would be friends and never fight. they will help each other in times of need. but they won't be really closely bonded like with ikrans. so..well...we will probably have to wait for the second movie.

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

yeah of course they would be friends and never fight. they will help each other in times of need. but they won't be really closely bonded like with ikrans. so..well...we will probably have to wait for the second movie.

I don't believe this is necessarily true. They may be close friends. But like the ikran, toruk also has a life of his own. These creatures do not need their Na`vi friends at all to survive-- sort of like Elsa the lioness.