r and rr

[MIPP]

Okay, i might be wrong, but i think that in the movie, they say r as rr.
E.g. When Eytucan announces the war against the sawtute, and says that Tsu'tey will lead the army, Dr. Augustine says 'Ftang, rutxe!' Bue the r in rutxe, that should sound as a ɾ, sounds like a spanish r.
But it happens again with Norm. He is teaching him to speak Na'vi, and he says: 'Irayo'. Once again, the r sounds like a spanish one. I'm pretty sure it happens a few times during the movie, i just do not remember now...

['Evan]

The single "r" nina'vi is the single-flapped r, which is the "spanish r" (the one that sounds like a d) as far as i know. This is different from the rolled r ("rr" nina'vi) which is trilled. Not sure if that answers your question  .

[Ftiafpi]

Yeah, their ä's sometimes turn into a's and their rr's and r's sometimes turn into English r's. They're actors, they had a lot on their plate so don't take everything they do as truth (plus some people were supposed to screw up, namely all the Avatars).

[MIPP]

Yeah, their ä's sometimes turn into a's and their rr's and r's sometimes turn into English r's. They're actors, they had a lot on their plate so don't take everything they do as truth (plus some people were supposed to screw up, namely all the Avatars).

Actually already noticed their ä's... but when i listened to the movie again, i thought: 'am i saying the r's correctly?'

['Oma Tirea]

Okay, i might be wrong, but i think that in the movie, they say r as rr.
E.g. When Eytukan announces the war against the sawtute, and says that Tsu'tey will lead the army, Dr. Augustine says 'Ftang, rutxe!' Bue the r in rutxe, that should sound as a ɾ, sounds like a spanish {r}.

I get the feeling this happens when a Na'vi speaker is speaking intensely, kinda like in Japanese sometimes.  The flapped r turns into a (non-syllabic) rolling r (NB this also happened with Neytiri and Mo'at).  However, when Eytukan speaks the line, "pori awngaru lu tìkin..." it sounds more like "porri awngarru lu tìkin...."  This I don't quite understand, although it would seem to be just another Na'vi mispronounciation.

(plus some people were supposed to screw up, namely all the Avatars)

It would only make the most sense with Jakesully, IMHO.  Grace's mispronounciation of "tìng mikyun", for example, is like

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

I get the feeling this happens when a Na'vi speaker is speaking intensely, kinda like in Japanese sometimes.  The flapped r turns into a (non-syllabic) rolling r (NB this also happened with Neytiri and Mo'at).  However, when Eytukan speaks the line, "pori awngaru lu tìkin..." it sounds more like "porri awngarru lu tìkin...."  This I don't quite understand, although it would seem to be just another Na'vi mispronounciation.

I also noticed that when Eytukan said "Ngenga Na'viyä hapxì lu set", it sounded like he said "ngenGa" (pronounced the 2nd g) and "luyu." Did anyone else hear these?

-Txonä Rolyu

[kewnya txamew'itan]

luyu is perfectly correct, it's using the formal <uy> infix. As for his ngenga, that seems to be a pretty common mistake.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

luyu is perfectly correct, it's using the formal <uy> infix. As for his ngenga, that seems to be a pretty common mistake.

Oh cool, a new infix! Can it be used with any verb? And what position position is it?

-Txonä Rolyu

[Payä Tìrol]

It's a <2> infix. Since it's a "mood" infix, yeah you can use it with any verb you wish to say in a ceremonial manner.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

It's a <2> infix. Since it's a "mood" infix, yeah you can use it with any verb you wish to say in a ceremonial manner.

Ok, so then I can use other "tense" infixes with it then...natkenong: Nga sloluyu taronyu. You have become a hunter. Kefyak?

-Txonä Rolyu

[Payä Tìrol]

Sure, that works.

['Oma Tirea]

luyu is perfectly correct, it's using the formal <uy> infix. As for his ngenga, that seems to be a pretty common mistake.

Oh cool, a new infix!

Not really new AFAIK, since it was used in the original Avatar.

Sure, that works.

This is because Tense/Aspect/Subjunctive infixes are at position <1>.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

Not really new AFAIK, since it was used in the original Avatar.

Well it's new to me. I haven't heard of it until just now.

-Txonä Rolyu

[kewnya txamew'itan]

It's a <2> infix. Since it's a "mood" infix, yeah you can use it with any verb you wish to say in a ceremonial manner.

Not mood. Mood means something very specific in linguistics and the only examples of it in na'vi are either done through the use of <iv> (for the subjunctive or imperative moods) or the lack of it (the indicative mood). We tend to call the <2> effectuals IIRC (it might affectuals).

['Oma Tirea]

It's a <2> infix. Since it's a "mood" infix, yeah you can use it with any verb you wish to say in a ceremonial manner.

Not mood. Mood means something very specific in linguistics and the only examples of it in na'vi are either done through the use of <iv> (for the subjunctive or imperative moods) or the lack of it (the indicative mood). We tend to call the <2> effectuals IIRC (it might affectuals).

"Mood" is just the layman's term

...and perhaps you're thinking of effectuals instead of affectuals because Na'vi is currently missing affect (IIRC).

[Payä Tìrol]

Yeah, hence "mood" in quotes, I was unsure of what to call it

I'm a bio/medicine person, not familiar with all of the linguistics terminology.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

Yeah, hence "mood" in quotes, I was unsure of what to call it

I'm a bio/medicine person, not familiar with all of the linguistics terminology.

Me either, I prefer the layman's terms here too.

-Txonä Rolyu

[kewnya txamew'itan]

Na'vi is currently missing affect (IIRC).

How so? We have the pejorative and laudative as well as diminutive.

Yeah, hence "mood" in quotes, I was unsure of what to call it

I'm a bio/medicine person, not familiar with all of the linguistics terminology.

I know, the only reason I corrected it is that it is important that the laymen's terms don't have the same name for a different thing as the technical terms otherwise people could end up talking at completely crossed purposes. (I'm a physics/maths person but it's still important to learn).

['Oma Tirea]

Na'vi is currently missing affect (IIRC).

How so? We have the pejorative and laudative as well as diminutive.

Maybe I'm confusing affect with effect again.... and after looking at the wiki (with a lot of blanks in the verb syntax section), have come out of a crazed confusion altogether