Replacement of a dead Ikran?

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Puvomun

Quote from: ll.sxkxawng on July 13, 2010, 11:32:19 AM
It even looks like a toruk is an ikran 2-3 times a large as your normal ikran, and differently colored, too.
Which is probably why it is called Toruk and not Ikran. :-)

Quote from: ll.sxkxawng on July 13, 2010, 11:32:19 AM
Maybe a skxawng wouldn't even get an ikran.  Tiverkup ayskxawng....

Srane... A skxawng probably will never have the patience to become taronyu.
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Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on July 13, 2010, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 12, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Lives happily ever after...
I doubt this, because the Ikran can get quite close to the hunter, it will probably feel sorrow if the hunter dies.
... lives sadly ever after...

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bommel

Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 13, 2010, 01:28:47 PM
Quote from: Tsamsiyu92 on July 13, 2010, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 12, 2010, 03:35:33 PM
Lives happily ever after...
I doubt this, because the Ikran can get quite close to the hunter, it will probably feel sorrow if the hunter dies.
... lives sadly ever after...
probably... we don't know ???

Puvomun

Quote from: bommel on July 13, 2010, 01:32:29 PM
Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 13, 2010, 01:28:47 PM
... lives sadly ever after...
probably... we don't know ???
Tìngay... I would assume that nature on Pandora, Eywa, who takes care of the balance of things (Neytiri's words), would prevent any creature from having to live in sadness for too long. That would be cruel, as well as unbalanced.
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Swoka Ikran

Quote from: Puvomun on July 13, 2010, 01:36:50 PM
Tìngay... I would assume that nature on Pandora, Eywa, who takes care of the balance of things (Neytiri's words), would prevent any creature from having to live in sadness for too long. That would be cruel, as well as unbalanced.
It certainly makes sense for Eywa to take care of the saddened ikran. The only thing is...we don't know how she'd do it :( The only reasonable options seem to be for her to allow it to bond with a replacement rider, or to have it die.

Remember though that the above is based on tawtute logic...on Pandora, it seems anything is possible.
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Puvomun

Quote from: Swoka Ikran on July 13, 2010, 02:18:24 PM
It certainly makes sense for Eywa to take care of the saddened ikran. The only thing is...we don't know how she'd do it :( The only reasonable options seem to be for her to allow it to bond with a replacement rider, or to have it die.

Remember though that the above is based on tawtute logic...on Pandora, it seems anything is possible.
Ngay, we don't know how Eywa would do it, but as the final battle was falling down, suddenly all the ikran and the 'angtsìk came to the rescue, while Neytiri called out "Eywa has heard you!"

I'd say Eywa has some tricks up her sleeves that we can't see.
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What do you think of this?:

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Niwantaw

Only mostly AWOL.

Ekirä

I've wondered....how would you go about releasing an ikran/toruk? At the end of the movie Jake says, "The time of great sorrow was ending. Toruk Makto was no longer needed." And then it shows Toruk flying off into the sunset...

Did Jake connect to toruk and tell him he was free? Did he just let toruk fly off and never called him again? As we've seen, there's probably too strong of a bond between animal and rider for that. When Jake's ikran comes to him without being called, it seems to me that it had been searching for him....

And you wouldn't really want a toruk hanging around your clan's home...so you can't just ignore him and refuse to make tsaheylu!

Also, after bonding with toruk, will Jake still be able to fly with his ikran?

Puvomun

Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 29, 2010, 09:10:40 AM
What do you think of this?:
Makes sense, I'd say. As Jake set out for Toruk, he told his ikran "...and you're not going to like it."
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Payä Tìrol

I thought that was more along the lines of "Well, we're going to go find a Toruk... you know, those things that like to eat you guys."
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Puvomun

Quote from: Payä Tìrol on July 29, 2010, 10:04:00 AM
I thought that was more along the lines of "Well, we're going to go find a Toruk... you know, those things that like to eat you guys."
Mllte, you could be right with that...
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P.A.'li makto

I don't think an ikran would be jealous when its rider rides an other animal let it be a toruk or a pa'li, doesn't matter.

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Puvomun

Quote from: P.A.'li makto on July 29, 2010, 10:12:07 AM
I don't think an ikran would be jealous when its rider rides an other animal let it be a toruk or a pa'li, doesn't matter.
Mllte. The bond with an ikran goes very deep, with the animal as well as the rider. You can tell from several times Neytiri connects with Seze, the way she closes her eyes, and Seze shakes her wings. Jealousy being part of that would be awkward.
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Quote from: Tawtewng on July 12, 2010, 12:37:39 PM
"Steve your ikran is dead"

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WhiskeySavage

Sooooo I see this is over 13 years old... buuutttt oh well.

Since it wasn't addressed in avatar 2 I was curious as well and never found anything Canon. That is until frontiers of pandora released. The question is answered in the game. Which is Canon as James Cameron approved of everything in the game. To make sure it fits with his world.

Ikran will never bond again and will likely die of depression/dehydration/starvation if the rider dies(like dragons in the eragon world).

Riders however can bond when ever they fill like it after their bonded has died. The connection is super deep though so they may not fill the desire to for awhile. And will likely not be selected if they are not actually ready.

Oh and some one mentioned the turok. They are different they are not ikran they do not form a permanent bond. They bond only with someone of strong character and has a drive and mission for the good of eywa. It will bond temporarily but never with more than one rider at a time.

Tìtstewan

Neytiri obviously got a new ikran after Seze died in A1, or did her ikran survived somehow? :-\

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Yeah, I would say she obviously got new one.