seeds of the great tree

[Lora Syulang]

Does any body know exactly the function of atokirina" plays? I know that they gave hints to Neytiri about Jake and not killing him, then when he was covered by them wich then prompted Neytiri to bring him back to the village when before she was unwilling. So they are a guiding path to the will of Eywa but is there more? 
   

[Dalva]

i suppose the exact scientific purpose of the atokirina is to make tree of voices or such other tree. after all that is what seeds are for right? 
and yes the na'vi definitely believe it as a guidance from eywa.
though i cant explain why jake was covered by atokirina in a scientific viewpoint

[eejmensenikbenhet]

I believe they are seeds with a soul, living individuals that can produce Trees of Voices/Trees of Souls.
They are as we know very pure spirits, guided by Eywa. They are (IMO) an appearance of Eywa.

[Lora Syulang]

Just a weird thought, but if everybody is alive within Eywa as Neytiri puts it and all energy is borrowed and must be returned then perhaps the souls/spirits are the spirits of ancestors departed. They do have that deep connection to the forest and I could be wrong here but isn't there a reference where they are all seeds of the great tree. Don't quote me on that one but for some reason that sticks inmy head.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

Just a weird thought, but if everybody is alive within Eywa as Neytiri puts it and all energy is borrowed and must be returned then perhaps the souls/spirits are the spirits of ancestors departed. They do have that deep connection to the forest and I could be wrong here but isn't there a reference where they are all seeds of the great tree. Don't quote me on that one but for some reason that sticks in my head.

That could very well be. There also is the "Tree Song" that is sung at least twice in the movie that starts out "Ultralä aNawm ayrina' lu ayoe..." 'We are all seeds of the Great Tree..."

-Txonä Rolyu

[Dalva]

so... the seed is actually a physical form of soul? that in every na'vi there's that seed somewhere in his/her body?
that raises the question on how Na'vi actually reproduce...

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

so... the seed is actually a physical form of soul? that in every na'vi there's that seed somewhere in his/her body?
that raises the question on how Na'vi actually reproduce...

When a Na'vi dies, their soul goes to Eywa who creates the seed and that's the form that the soul returns to Pandora as. So...it is a spirit, the spirit of the deceased Na'vi. Well....that's my view anyway.

As for reproduction though, regular copulation occurs just like in people. Na'vi are placental mammals.

-Txonä Rolyu

['Oma Tirea]

so... the seed is actually a physical form of soul? that in every na'vi there's that seed somewhere in his/her body?
that raises the question on how Na'vi actually reproduce...

For me it raised the question of how the Utralä Aymokri reproduce....

[Nì'awtua Eyktan]

Maybe they just happened to like his deodorant or something.

[Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan]

so... the seed is actually a physical form of soul? that in every na'vi there's that seed somewhere in his/her body?
that raises the question on how Na'vi actually reproduce...

For me it raised the question of how the Utralä Aymokri reproduce....

I'd imagine that the trees on Pandora, regardless of their sacredness, reproduce the same as here on earth. The 'atokirina just happen to have the added attribute of being 'controlled' by and showing the will of Eywa

[Ean Hufwetulyu]

so... the seed is actually a physical form of soul? that in every na'vi there's that seed somewhere in his/her body?
that raises the question on how Na'vi actually reproduce...

When a Na'vi dies, their soul goes to Eywa who creates the seed and that's the form that the soul returns to Pandora as. So...it is a spirit, the spirit of the deceased Na'vi. Well....that's my view anyway.

As for reproduction though, regular copulation occurs just like in people. Na'vi are placental mammals.

-Txonä Rolyu

If it holds true about what you said, Oe think that Neytiriya tsmuke might the one who landed on her arrow when she first saw JakeSully

[Seseni]

If it holds true about what you said, Oe think that Neytiriya tsmuke might the one who landed on her arrow when she first saw JakeSully

I agree with what's been previously said about the seeds being ancestors. I also think that this is a nice thought, that Neytiri's sister is guiding her. Perhaps in this same way, all of the seeds attracted to Jake were Na'vi previously killed by sawtute.

Also, following in this line of thinking, do you think that Jake's spirit would become one of the atokirina', despite the fact that his spirit/consciousness was not originally a in a Na'vi body?

[Ean Hufwetulyu]

i believe so because I think Grace become atokirina after she passed.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

Also, following in this line of thinking, do you think that Jake's spirit would become one of the atokirina', despite the fact that his spirit/consciousness was not originally a in a Na'vi body?

Most definitely. His soul may not have originated in a Na'vi body, but it was transferred by Eywa. It would make sense for him to become an atokirina'.

That's a nice thought btw that the atokirina' that landed on Neytiri's bow was Sylwanin

-Txonä Rolyu

[Human No More]

They are seeds. They originate from the tree of souls and similar trees, and drift over Pandora.
The part that  find interesting is appearance at specific places when needed - I would say that due to the sentience, and the small parts at the bottom of the seed seem to be brushing against Jake's skin in that scene, then they can be created to seek out specific needs when required, programmed in a way, to appear at the right location.

As for Jake, his mind transfer was through the neural network, not an atokirina' , that was the point of the tendrils that grew over the two bodies.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

As for Jake, his mind transfer was through the neural network, not an atokirina' , that was the point of the tendrils that grew over the two bodies.

I know that. My understanding of the ayatokirina' is that when a Na'vi dies and their spirit goes to Eywa, she creates the atokirina' and that's how the spirit returns to Pandora...as an atokirina' guided by Eywa. I think that's how they can "appear in the right location," like on Neytiri's bow.

-Txonä Rolyu

[eejmensenikbenhet]

There was referred in this thread to the Tree song... (Utralä anawm aryina' lu ayoeng. - We are seeds of the big tree.)  But I think this is a figural speech, a metaphor: Utral anawm <--> Eywa / ayrina' <--> children.
I guess: Utralä anawm ayrina' lu ayoeng. <--> Eywayä eveng lu ayoeng.
So the song (at least in my eyes) doesn't have anything to do with atokirina' being spirits of departed Na'vi.

[archaic]

Maybe they just happened to like his deodorant or something.

[Nì'awtua Eyktan]

Maybe they just happened to like his deodorant or something.

Spoiler

HRH!

[Flewway]

If it holds true about what you said, Oe think that Neytiriya tsmuke might the one who landed on her arrow when she first saw JakeSully

I agree with what's been previously said about the seeds being ancestors. I also think that this is a nice thought, that Neytiri's sister is guiding her. Perhaps in this same way, all of the seeds attracted to Jake were Na'vi previously killed by sawtute.

I'd have to agree with what's been said above.