tame and wild?

Lora Syulang · April 23, 2011, 09:38:15 AM

I was reading about the direhorse in both Pandorapedia and James Cameron's Avatar wikia and the words 'tamed' and 'wild' came up. They bond with them to tame them like the ikrans. To tame an animal makes it your pet ( kind of ) doesn't it? So my imagination just ran with that. I wonder if at any point a Na'vi ever had any other type of animal as a 'pet'? I'm not saying that would be the norm by any means, but just imagine a Na'vi is attacked by a predator then has to kill it in self defense only to find the cubs with no mother. To the Na'vi all are brother spirits in the forest. Neytiri apoligized to her nantang 'brother' for killing it in the beginning of the movie. What do you think the Na'vi would do about a situation like that? $:-\$

Lolet · April 23, 2011, 01:24:30 PM

I'm sure a kindhearted person would'nt leave orphan babies alone in the wild. And who could resist a cute little baby animal?

Lora Syulang · April 23, 2011, 03:06:22 PM

Think about life with a baby palulukan!

What an interesting situation that would make! Well, that is just my wild imagination. I doubt a situation would/could ever happen like that. Maybe for sometime the little baby could be trusted but when it grows up the instints would kick in and maybe the village would look like lunch instead of family.

Nyx · April 23, 2011, 05:23:27 PM

You reminded me of this

(it gets pretty long, but you should watch till 3:18)

Christian the lion - Full ending
Here's some info from the description on YouTube

QuoteIn 1969 a young Australian, John Rendall and his friend Ace Bourke, bought a small lion cub from Harrods pet department, which was then legal. 'Christian' was kept in the basement of a furniture shop on the Kings Road in Chelsea, the heart of the swinging sixties. Loved by all, the affectionate cub ate in a local restaurant, played in a nearby graveyard, but was growing fast...

A chance encounter with Bill Travers and Virginia McKenna led to a new life for Christian. He came to live in a huge enclosure and to sleep in a caravan at their Surrey home. Then in 1971 he was flown to Kenya, his ancestral home, and returned to the wild by lion-man George Adamson. Nine months later in 1972, John and Ace returned to Kora in Kenya. This clip is of their reunion at that time.

Lora Syulang · April 24, 2011, 05:17:23 PM

I did volunteer work with wildlife and rehabilitating them back to the wild. One particular animal, a little squirrely and I became quite close. You are not supposed to bond with animals preparing for release but this little guy came to me. All the others stayed wild. When it was release time it broke my heart.

That little sqirrley came back and visited me a few times and it made me feel good to see that it was doing well in the wild.

Txura Rolyu · April 25, 2011, 02:21:06 AM

Caring for Natures little animals, even the big ones, is always fun when there is a good reason to. I hope that the little squirlley is still doing well.

Lora Syulang · April 25, 2011, 06:17:54 AM

That was many, many years ago. ( load audible sigh ) I got to work with many types of animals there. There was an eagle with one wing there, it had a serious injury that required the removal of the wing and because of that it could never be released. There was quite a few nonreleaseables. Most of those animals came from the wild fully mature and remained wild.
As for the squirrel, he was released in an area that isn't really too human populated. They all were. He actually found his way back to the center. I got to see him a few times and then he never came back. I like to think that he found a female and made a life for himself as I will never really know what became of him.

Nawmtxep · April 27, 2011, 12:50:06 PM

The Na'vi strongly believe that everything in the forest is connected to them as a brother or sister, so what would give them an excuse to leave a helpless baby in the forest to die? I do not believe that they'd just leave it there to suffer.

Lora Syulang · April 27, 2011, 02:13:36 PM

The reason I stopped and pondered overthis is that the palulukan will grow up unto a big dangerous predator. Knowing that potential might raise some concerns that the little baby would grow up and eat the village. I assume it would be able to attach itself to those who cared for it and not want to eat them but then I really don't know much about the potential nature vs nurture in the case of this or any other Pandoran predator. If the very nature of the predator dictates that it will turn wild when it becomes mature then perhaps it would be forbidden to raise up such animals. Crocs are cute as babies but I would not trust one as an adult. I mean they can be maintained and cared for and all, but they have that instinct deep within them that you just can't change, the hand that feeds them could very easily be the next meal and any keeper knows that. Also think about all the wild animals in captive situations that have led to injuries and deaths, even pets can bite. Mostly with the wild animals in captive situations it is an accident, or just behaving like the wild animal it is ( ex. A wolf was kept as a pet for years and it was playing with the dogs just fine but when a little dog came over and ran instead of sniffing then the wolf chased, the prey drive kicked in and the next to happen is catch and kill, instinct kicked in ) and with a pet I would be willing to bet it was provoked or not trained properly. That being said, I think a nantang with it's strong pack drive would be trustable as an adult with the family though.
Then there is tsaheylu, wich I'm sure would come into play here. This is unique to Pandora only, and one can only speculate here, but that brings in a whole new element. The ikran will bond with only one hunter in the life time. It will choose you and you know how it chooses you by the fact that it willl try to kill you. Other wise you will not be bothered by one I assume. Tha nantang and the palulukan will kill you, but if you make the bond that changes things doesn't it?
Can they make the bond with more than one person like the pa'li or are they limited to one? Does making the bond make that animal trustable for all or only that one? Animal behavior is what I have been studying for years so that is why the the questions.

Human No More · May 11, 2011, 06:11:55 AM

I don't think they have a concept such as 'tame' or pets. An animal would only be with the Na'vi if it trusts them, and tsaheylu creates a close bond between a Na'vi and their ikran.

'Itan Atxur · May 11, 2011, 06:23:24 AM

It'd be an interesting situation for sure. I'm not even sure what I'd do.

Lora Syulang · May 11, 2011, 02:38:30 PM

Quote from: Human No More on May 11, 2011, 06:11:55 AM
I don't think they have a concept such as 'tame' or pets. An animal would only be with the Na'vi if it trusts them, and tsaheylu creates a close bond between a Na'vi and their ikran.

Perhaps, however...in the Pandorapedia or James Cameron's Avatar wikia ( can't remember wich ) concerning the direhorse it was mentioned, the word 'tame'. This makes this thought of tame vs. wild come to my mind. Just got me thinking, that's all.

Nyx · May 11, 2011, 03:27:41 PM

Maybe they make the distinction between animals that are their companions and those that are not (and maybe there's a third group for those that make na'vi-burgers). And I think that individual animals could go from one of those groups to the other, especially if they're accustomed to life at Hometree from a young age.

Somehow it seems to me that it'd be easier for the Na'vi to tame animals than it is for us because they live a lot closer to nature (and the whole eat or be eaten thing) than we do, so it might not be a huge transition. It might also be easier for the "tame" animals to go back into the wild.. that is, if there's a pack that'd accept them

Human No More · May 13, 2011, 11:20:44 AM

Quote from: Lora Syulang on May 11, 2011, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: Human No More on May 11, 2011, 06:11:55 AM
I don't think they have a concept such as 'tame' or pets. An animal would only be with the Na'vi if it trusts them, and tsaheylu creates a close bond between a Na'vi and their ikran.
Perhaps, however...in the Pandorapedia or James Cameron's Avatar wikia ( can't remember wich ) concerning the direhorse it was mentioned, the word 'tame'. This makes this thought of tame vs. wild come to my mind. Just got me thinking, that's all.

If it isn't canon, it's speculation, and something like that can easily be a wording difference . - for example, skxawng does NOT mean 'moron', but that's the mainstream translation simply because it's a single word that applies, in an extremely vague sense.