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Offline MIPP

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To lie
« on: August 24, 2010, 01:10:01 pm »
Ok, a few days ago I was thinking about Na'vi and AVATAR, and I remebered that Na'vi has no word for 'lie' or 'to lie'.
So, I remembered that I have seen in the movie, Jake saying something to someone (I don't remember who, but I'm almost sure that he said it to a sky person).
He said something like:
"They (Na'vi) don't even have a word for lie. They had to learn it with us!"
I know that he must be saying that the first time that the Na'vi people heard about lying was when Dr. Augustine taught them English at school.
But I also thought about a different thing:
If the Na'vi learnt the word with the "Sawtute", couldn't their word for lie be "lay" or "tulay"?
I know that it's pure especulation, but... who knows?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2010, 01:18:40 pm by MIPP »
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Re: To lie
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2010, 01:19:47 pm »
Just because there's no single word for lying doesn't mean they have no concept of it (that would be pretty unrealistic). In English, we don't have a word for "cardboard box", but that doesn't mean that the concept of one is incomprehensible to us. It just means it's something we talk about infrequently enough that the multiple-word phrase suffices.

Perhaps the Na'vi just use a phrase such as plltxe nìtsleng (speak falsely) to describe lying.
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Re: To lie
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2010, 05:08:48 pm »
FYI, this line was from the original script but not in the film (at least, not the original release... who knows about the rerelease :D)
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Re: To lie
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 04:40:26 am »
FYI, this line was from the original script but not in the film (at least, not the original release... who knows about the rerelease :D)

:o I read the script so many times that I thought it was in the movie HRH
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Re: To lie
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2010, 12:49:08 am »
FYI, this line was from the original script but not in the film (at least, not the original release... who knows about the rerelease :D)

I didn't notice it in the re-release either.

As for a way to say "lie" I say "pivlltxe nìkeyawr," "speak incorrectly"

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Re: To lie
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2010, 01:23:12 am »
As for a way to say "lie" I say "pivlltxe nìkeyawr," "speak incorrectly"

How would one contrast that with the above phrase: pivlltxe nìtsleng (speak falsely)?
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Re: To lie
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 01:26:38 am »
As for a way to say "lie" I say "pivlltxe nìkeyawr," "speak incorrectly"

How would one contrast that with the above phrase: pivlltxe nìtsleng (speak falsely)?

I wasn't trying to contrast anything, I was just putting in my 2 cents.

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Re: To lie
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2010, 01:43:58 am »
As for a way to say "lie" I say "pivlltxe nìkeyawr," "speak incorrectly"

How would one contrast that with the above phrase: pivlltxe nìtsleng (speak falsely)?

I wasn't trying to contrast anything, I was just putting in my 2 cents.

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Re: To lie
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 05:24:44 am »
Just because there's no single word for lying doesn't mean they have no concept of it (that would be pretty unrealistic). In English, we don't have a word for "cardboard box", but that doesn't mean that the concept of one is incomprehensible to us. It just means it's something we talk about infrequently enough that the multiple-word phrase suffices.

Perhaps the Na'vi just use a phrase such as plltxe nìtsleng (speak falsely) to describe lying.
Well said, I think... I doubt they had no actual knowledge of what lying was, just not having a specific word for it.
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Re: To lie
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 02:23:49 pm »
As for a way to say "lie" I say "pivlltxe nìkeyawr," "speak incorrectly"

How would one contrast that with the above phrase: pivlltxe nìtsleng (speak falsely)?

I would imagine that to speak incorrectly is to make a mistake, whereas to speak falsely is to intentionally relay something contrary to the truth.

plltxe nìkeyawr - Misspeaking
plltxe nìtsleng - Lying intentionally

Of course, that's conjectural, but that's how I see those matching up.

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Re: To lie
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 06:35:55 pm »
I would imagine that to speak incorrectly is to make a mistake, whereas to speak falsely is to intentionally relay something contrary to the truth.

plltxe nìkeyawr - Misspeaking
plltxe nìtsleng - Lying intentionally

Of course, that's conjectural, but that's how I see those matching up.

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Hmmm, I suppose you're right. My viewpoint was that "speaking incorrectly" was also intentional [lying] but the way you put it also makes sense.

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