Tsaheylu networking

[Kerame Pxel Nume]

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[Tsamsiyu92]

hmm...guess somebody forgot their placeholder....

[Sіr. Ηaxalot]

Name all you wireless networks Tawtsaheylu with the password tsaheylu?

[Swoka Ikran]

Are they afraid the forum's going to fill up before they can post whatever it was they had planned to post?

[Sіr. Ηaxalot]

I think that this topic is at high risk to get locked or moved to spam.

[Kerame Pxel Nume]

This topic is about the physical properties of tsaheylu connections: Are they like USB or more like a serial bus, or do they form a network?

[archaic]

This topic was created to divert some interesting topic drift in another topic.
http://forum.learnnavi.org/fan-art/motivational-posters-navi-style/msg221095/#msg221095

You might read the relevant posts there too.


So, why do Na'vi never Tsaheylu with a creatures right neural connection?

[Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn]

I don't think they would always connect with the left, It's probably just more preferred Since na'vi are left-handed and they usually get up onto what they are riding from the left side.

[Puvomun]

I located this thread and drag it into the atan again.

When I drove home from work today I was thinking about tsaheylu. Last Saturday I saw Avatar again and suddenly something hit me, as I recalled the scene where Neytiri crashes down while flying Seze, in the great battle.

Seze was shot and could not stay in the air longer. I can't tell if she died while falling or after Neytiri was flung off, but:

how would a Na'vi experience the death of an ikran or direhorse while having the bond enabled? Whilst having created tsaheylu?


The thought seriously made me nervous and shiver. Would they feel the pain of their bond-mate? Would they sense its death?

I wonder about this, still...

Eywa ayngahu...

[P.A.'li makto]

how would a Na'vi experience the death of an ikran or direhorse while having the bond enabled?

It must be a very frightening experience! Ma Puvomun, your question made me shiver, too! It must be like experiencing death without really dying. Brrrrrrrrrr. Awful, but... somehow interesting, too....

[Puvomun]

It must be unsettling in a way we cannot understand. I know what it is to lose a family member, a pet, but the implications of tsaheylu, the depth of such a connection, yes, that must feel like dying yourself. And surviving.

Thinking more about this, I recall the funeral scene, where Jake learns that "all energy is only borrowed, and one day you have to give it back".

The Na'vi are closer to nature than we/most of us are. They will probably have a different understanding/feeling with this, making the impact different as well (afterwards?). But the more I try to understand tsaheylu and what happens in such a case, the more respect I have for the mental strength, almost bravery, that the Na'vi have to possess, to do this. It is something shattering, on a mental level, but perhaps even on a physical level (as the bond is physical as well).

[Muzer]

I think it's rather lucky she fell off and disconnected from Seze when she did - it seems to me that experiencing an actual full death via tsaheylu could possibly drive a person mad...

[P.A.'li makto]

it seems to me that experiencing an actual full death via tsaheylu could possibly drive a person mad...

I hope not. The Na'vi are different. I mean... what Puvomun quoted about borrowing energy, and all. Maybe death is something less frightening and unnatural for them than for us. (I'm almost scared to death whenever death is mentioned. )

[Muzer]

I suppose it depends what sort of death - a slow and painful death like Seze's wouldn't be nice at all.

[P.A.'li makto]

Nice? No, never! 
I meant it would definitely drive me mad, but a Na'vi is much stronger both mentally and phisicly. Would not enjoy it (sure), but be driven mad...?... I don't know...

[kewnya txamew'itan]

I imagine that the feeling you get when a creature you are currently bonded to are killed would be similar to how Norm felt when his avatar was killed.

[P.A.'li makto]

I imagine that the feeling you get when a creature you are currently bonded to are killed would be similar to how Norm felt when his avatar was killed.

Also an interesting point...

[Puvomun]

I agree, Muzer, that Neytiri was very lucky to be thrown off Seze. There was a lot going on, impressions from every side, so she may have missed some things, although for some reason I doubt that. Tsaheylu goes deep under your skin. Remember how she closed her eyes while making the bond, the first time she introduced Jake and Seze? Also Seze shuddered for a moment. That tells me that it is an extreme joining.

P.A.'li makto, I am sorry, but your words "I'm almost scared to death whenever death is mentioned" made me grin. ;-)

kemeoauniaea, this is a great observation! I had not even thought of that. The neural connection that happens between avatar and driver must be comparable. Norm grabbed his chest as he fell from the link-unit.
But was his avatar killed? I recall he was standing at the airstrip as an avatar as the humans packed up to leave Pandora, but I am not sure.

[P.A.'li makto]

I recall he was standing at the airstrip as an avatar as the humans packed up to leave Pandora, but I am not sure.

As a human, yes.

[Muzer]

I don't even see the point in the machines transferring consciousness to your Avatar - I mean, with enough virtualisation they would be able to get an identical effect, plus it would be much less dangerous and risky (in a sudden disconnection or a death). Plus it would obviously be a lot harder, and raises the question of what consciousness actually is (which the humans would have had to have answered).