You will boycott AVATAR 2 or 3 when...

[archaic]

JC will have to re-hire Frommer. That will waste a lot of money. Cameron does not learn Na'vi AFAIK so he will need to get Frommer again.

And I think the problem is that most of the Na'vi info we have is far from "official." They might not even be in-universe Cameronian canon! I don't know how much words Cameron will think "sound bad" and throw away. He was bold enough to throw away Torukä Maktoyu anyway!

Umm, pretty sure a couple of scenes with no CG would probably save more than they pay Frommer.

I tend to disagree with the more die-hard fans here, since I am a fan of lì'fya leNa'vi and not really Uniltìrantokx. Actually I like watching AVATAR more to nitpick the actors' Na'vi...

And what I fear is that 20th Century Fox or Lightstorm will complain about the costs and time it takes to train actors in Na'vi phonetics (they were pretty pissed of in AVTR 1 with all of the Na'vi stuff). And yes, I hope that some of us can be Na'vi assistants...

The sad fact is the VAST MAJORITY of the Avatar fan community doesn't care a bit about the language. About 70% of people at Avatar Forum still say Toruk Macto, Omaticaya, Utraya Mokri, and Sylwanin. Some of them still don't know that Jake's First Flight just has gibberish lyrics. A small portion doesn't even know Na'vi is learnable and working and still cites things from December 2009 stating that "only Frommer knows the language." We should be doing more ...eh... propaganda for the Na'vi language at AVTR forums especially. I can't see anybody here posting there!

It's sad. Wery sad only.©

Re-education and information management ?

Are you familiar with nudging theory?

[Human No More]

...that's if he even needs hiring. I would guess that after creating a full language, you aren't exactly going to leave it alone when it's needed

Also, there were no pure live action scenes - every one had visual effects, from the background of Pandora to the plastic in the exopacks

[Irtaviš Ačankif]

Okay. So imagine JC doing AVTR 2. He has a million dollars to spare according to the budget. Would he

1. Use the million dollars to make the 3D more awesome, maybe create some better visual effect and also a 10.2 surround track, attracting effects fans looking for a thrill
OR
2. Hire Frommer to create a bunch of new sentences and hire bunches of linguistic coaches to teach them to the actors, attracting Na'vi learners and linguistics enthusiasts?

I assure you that there are much more effects fans than linguistics fans!

[archaic]

Cameron wouldn't choose, he'd have both! Budgets are things that happen to other people. Like movies that don't make a mint.

...that's if he even needs hiring. I would guess that after creating a full language, you aren't exactly going to leave it alone when it's needed

Also, there were no pure live action scenes - every one had visual effects, from the background of Pandora to the plastic in the exopacks

No whole scenes admittedly, but some shots were CGI free.

[Irtaviš Ačankif]

Example: shot of Jake looking around stupidly inside the link chamber

[Seze Mune]

Nudging theory? What is that?

[Kamean]

Nudging theory? What is that?

I don't know too.

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

Cameron wouldn't choose, he'd have both! Budgets are things that happen to other people. Like movies that don't make a mint.

I hope you're right, here.

[Ningey]

By my reckon there's no reason so far to fear that Cameron is going to screw up the whole thing.
Since he has already made up his mind on the Na'vi in Avatar I, I think he just won't dismiss what he has established there (and because he had considered so many things about the Na'vi he had taken in Karyu Pawl in the first place - to get the right "feel" for everything. It would be like dismissing the Klingon language from Star Trek...).

But in the most unlikely event that this does become a mess, I'll nevertheless stay true to Avatar I and simply set a divergence point afterwards (i. e. I won't consider anything that happens afterwards).
Anyway, as long as I don't have proof of the opposite, I believe that Cameron is going to stay true to what he has developed in Avatar I.

[Irtaviš Ačankif]

oeyä point of view too, ma Ningey. I will definitely write a replacement fanfic for AVTR 2 if the story/language/characters get screwed up. How about creating backup canon? That sounds fun, though it will probably make JC angry

[Niwantaw]

Why so pessimistic anyway?

[Kamean]

Why so pessimistic anyway?

I haven't so pessimistic.

[Seze Mune]

Why so pessimistic anyway?

Maybe based on the Star Wars double trilogy.  Imo, the prequel triology was far inferior to the first trilogy.  Based on past experience, I think Cameron is in the business for excellence and not for the $$$$.

[Irtaviš Ačankif]

What? I love the prequels much better  I really loathe The Clone Wars though...archetypal bad sequel.

[Seze Mune]

What? I love the prequels much better  I really loathe The Clone Wars though...archetypal bad sequel.

SOLD!  You take the prequels, I'll take the originals!  Win/win!!!  ♥   

[Ningey]

Why so pessimistic anyway?

Maybe based on the Star Wars double trilogy.  Imo, the prequel triology was far inferior to the first trilogy.  Based on past experience, I think Cameron is in the business for excellence and not for the $$$$.

True enough, though.
Let others screw things up and let Cameron do things the proper way - business as usual, that is...

[Irtaviš Ačankif]

I fear it will be worse than Star Wars.

My reason is that AVTR already completed the storyline quite a bit. The only reasonable continuations (which must involve humans) follow

1. Environmentalist groups and the government lobby RDA into closing down; somebody finds unobtanium replacement on an uninhabited world; everybody lives happily ever after

2. RDA somehow gets praised for their actions, the humans come back, and AVTR basically repeats itself.

which would both suck.

However, if AVTR 2 and 3 could manage not to include humans outside of short flashbacks or cutscenes to Earth of environmentalists campaigning, RDA getting attacked, etc, and focus on a storyline where all parties are Na'vi and conflict between Na'vi, I would love it. However, in that case there would need to be WAY more Na'vi, which would probably require LN.org to re-dub the whole movie in order to preserve...uhh..our fan-ness

[Seze Mune]

I fear it will be worse than Star Wars.

My reason is that AVTR already completed the storyline quite a bit. The only reasonable continuations (which must involve humans) follow

1. Environmentalist groups and the government lobby RDA into closing down; somebody finds unobtanium replacement on an uninhabited world; everybody lives happily ever after

2. RDA somehow gets praised for their actions, the humans come back, and AVTR basically repeats itself.

which would both suck.

However, if AVTR 2 and 3 could manage not to include humans outside of short flashbacks or cutscenes to Earth of environmentalists campaigning, RDA getting attacked, etc, and focus on a storyline where all parties are Na'vi and conflict between Na'vi, I would love it. However, in that case there would need to be WAY more Na'vi, which would probably require LN.org to re-dub the whole movie in order to preserve...uhh..our fan-ness

Well, we already know the storyline will include oceans.  Last year Cameron commissioned Australian designers to design a sub which can plumb the depths of the Marianas Trench....or at least about 36,000 feet of it.  I hear he intends to be an occupant. 

One has to suppose that only human technology would put something at that depth in a Pandoran ocean, but it doesn't have to be RDA related.  It could be human environmentalists with a rogue element. Or who knows what?  But I think humans will figure into it.  I don't know where he'll insert the love story connection he had in Titanic or Avatar I...it might be Jake's and Neytiri's daughter this time.  Maybe a little social commentary on hybrids finding their niche? Or maybe some other alien element.  I wonder how he'll blend in the Eywa connection with sub-marine life.  Will the whales have antennae?

[archaic]

I fear it will be worse than Star Wars.

My reason is that AVTR already completed the storyline quite a bit. The only reasonable continuations (which must involve humans) follow

1. Environmentalist groups and the government lobby RDA into closing down; somebody finds unobtanium replacement on an uninhabited world; everybody lives happily ever after

2. RDA somehow gets praised for their actions, the humans come back, and AVTR basically repeats itself.

which would both suck.

However, if AVTR 2 and 3 could manage not to include humans outside of short flashbacks or cutscenes to Earth of environmentalists campaigning, RDA getting attacked, etc, and focus on a storyline where all parties are Na'vi and conflict between Na'vi, I would love it. However, in that case there would need to be WAY more Na'vi, which would probably require LN.org to re-dub the whole movie in order to preserve...uhh..our fan-ness

[Sezetirea216]

The only thing, and i mean ONLY thing that would put me off avatar 2 would be if james cameron disrespects neytiri's baby or if neytiri gets a new ikran who mates with jakes cause that would be way to predictable