Crimean crisis, will Crimea join Russia?

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Tìtstewan

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Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on April 25, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
Is the world really ready for a World War III?

Ma ayeyktan, rutxe, rä'ä sngeykä'i haya tsamit kifkeyä, taluna hama mesam kifkeyä lolu nìtam!

A. Einstein poltxe san

Teyngta paysä'ofa fko wayem Kifkeyä Tsammì apxeyve ke omum oel, slä fko wayem Kifkeyä Tsammì atsìve fa ayvultsyìp skxesì.


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Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

Quote from: Tìtstewan on April 25, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on April 25, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
Is the world really ready for a World War III?

<div style="background-color:#dddddd;text-decoration: blink;font-weight:bold;text-align:center;font-size:13pt;padding:10px;border:2px solid black;width:1300px"><span class="hotspot" onmouseover="tooltip.show('Dear politicans, please, do not start another world war, because last two world wars was enough! A. Einstein said, I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.');" onmouseout="tooltip.hide();" style="color:#555555;">Ma ayeyktan, rutxe, rä'ä sngeykä'i haya tsamit kifkeyä, taluna hama mesam kifkeyä lolu nìtam!

<span style="font-size:10pt;">A. Einstein poltxe san</span>

Teyngta paysä'ofa fko wayem Kifkeyä Tsammì apxeyve ke omum oel, slä fko wayem Kifkeyä Tsammì atsìve fa ayvultsyìp skxesì.</span></div>


Probably nuclear weapons, again, like in the Cold War. This also depends if North-Korea is joining WW3. We will see, if North-Korea will do a nuclear test, which has been a hot topic in these days. Satellite images tells that a nuclear test can happen within 14 days. The satellite images spotted a tunnel entrance that has been sealed, and that's where they think the nuclear test will happen. After the tunnel entrance is sealed, the nuclear test needs to be conducted within 14 days.
Currently now, President Barack Obama is in South-Korea, where they are discussing about this, of what they think is a nuclear test site, and he is also there because of the victims in the ferry disaster.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/25/world/asia/obama-asia-visit/index.html?iref=allsearch

Lusunawmatstxoan

Quote from: Tìtstewan on April 25, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on April 25, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
Is the world really ready for a World War III?

<div style="background-color:#dddddd;text-decoration: blink;font-weight:bold;text-align:center;font-size:13pt;padding:10px;border:2px solid black;width:1300px"><span class="hotspot" onmouseover="tooltip.show('Dear politicans, please, do not start another world war, because last two world wars was enough! A. Einstein said, I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.');" onmouseout="tooltip.hide();" style="color:#555555;">Ma ayeyktan, rutxe, rä'ä sngeykä'i haya tsamit kifkeyä, taluna hama mesam kifkeyä lolu nìtam!

<span style="font-size:10pt;">A. Einstein poltxe san</span>

Teyngta paysä'ofa fko wayem Kifkeyä Tsammì apxeyve ke omum oel, slä fko wayem Kifkeyä Tsammì atsìve fa ayvultsyìp skxesì.</span></div>



That is words of wisdom.... Thanks

Tìtstewan

Irayo ma Vlad! :D

This is one of the rare situations where Eintein's quote fit so well. I hope we will not see a WW3...




Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on April 25, 2014, 02:32:49 PM
Probably nuclear weapons, again, like in the Cold War. This also depends if North-Korea is joining WW3. We will see, if North-Korea will do a nuclear test, which has been a hot topic in these days. Satellite images tells that a nuclear test can happen within 14 days. The satellite images spotted a tunnel entrance that has been sealed, and that's where they think the nuclear test will happen. After the tunnel entrance is sealed, the nuclear test needs to be conducted within 14 days.
Currently now, President Barack Obama is in South-Korea, where they are discussing about this, of what they think is a nuclear test site, and he is also there because of the victims in the ferry disaster.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/25/world/asia/obama-asia-visit/index.html?iref=allsearch
I somehow think that North Korea would be nuke'd first to resolve that "small" problem if we were join the WW3... Their technology level are somewhere like in the 1950/1960 regarding nukes...



Well, dat html thingy, lol


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Quote from: Tìtstewan on April 25, 2014, 03:34:32 PM

Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on April 25, 2014, 02:32:49 PM
Probably nuclear weapons, again, like in the Cold War. This also depends if North-Korea is joining WW3. We will see, if North-Korea will do a nuclear test, which has been a hot topic in these days. Satellite images tells that a nuclear test can happen within 14 days. The satellite images spotted a tunnel entrance that has been sealed, and that's where they think the nuclear test will happen. After the tunnel entrance is sealed, the nuclear test needs to be conducted within 14 days.
Currently now, President Barack Obama is in South-Korea, where they are discussing about this, of what they think is a nuclear test site, and he is also there because of the victims in the ferry disaster.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/25/world/asia/obama-asia-visit/index.html?iref=allsearch
I somehow think that North Korea would be nuke'd first to resolve that "small" problem if we were join the WW3... Their technology level are somewhere like in the 1950/1960 regarding nukes...



Well, dat html thingy, lol



If that happens, i am pretty sure Pyongyang will be the first place in North-Korea that will be nuked.

Naaah, i think Pyongyang is the only place in North-Korea that will be nuked. When the dictatorship of North-Korea is gone, the people will not survive at all.

Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

Russian military airplanes have entered Ukrainian air space, Pentagon confirms.

US: Russian plane enters Ukraine

bommel

The bad thing is, for peace you need everybody to play by the rules but for war you only need a few dickheads.

Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

Quote from: bommel on April 27, 2014, 04:19:59 PM
The bad thing is, for peace you need everybody to play by the rules but for war you only need a few dickheads.

A few? Vladimir Putin is doing this on his own. He is alone on this. He is the only one who is giving orders to his people.

bommel

That was meant as a general statement. Anyway, I don't think he is "controlling" the seperatists, he may have some influence though. This whole situation has developed its own dynamics and I'm pretty sure it won't end well because you can't negotiate with that kind of people. Maybe not in WW3 but a civil or proxy war in Ukraine.

archaic

Remember that WW1 began with Gavrilo Princip killing Archduke Franz Ferdinand heir to the throne of Austro-Hungary.

Gavrilo Princip was a separatist, campaigning against the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina by Austro-Hungary from Serbia. There had been a failed attempt to assassinate him earlier the same day.


If we ignore or forget what history tells us, we risk making the same mistakes that were made before, an estimated 16 million deaths and 20 million wounded during WW1.
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Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

Quote from: archaic on April 28, 2014, 07:05:58 AM
Remember that WW1 began with Gavrilo Princip killing Archduke Franz Ferdinand heir to the throne of Austro-Hungary.

Gavrilo Princip was a separatist, campaigning against the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina by Austro-Hungary from Serbia. There had been a failed attempt to assassinate him earlier the same day.


If we ignore or forget what history tells us, we risk making the same mistakes that were made before, an estimated 16 million deaths and 20 million wounded during WW1.


Also, if there will be a new world war, we don't have to worry about some Nazis.

Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

Today, President Barack Obama confirmed that the sanctions against Russia is expanded, targeting members of President Vladimir Putin's "inner circle" and technology that could be useful to Russia's military.
President Barack Obama said the "targeted" sanctions are in response to Russia's actions in Ukraine.
"The United States has taken further action today in response to Russia's continued illegal intervention in Ukraine and provocative acts that undermine Ukraine's democracy and threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity," the White House said in a statement. Since a meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, on April 17, Russia "has done nothing" to meet its commitments "and in fact has further escalated the crisis," the White House said in a statement.
"The Department of the Treasury is imposing sanctions on seven Russian government officials, including two members of President Putin's inner circle, who will be subject to an asset freeze and a U.S. visa ban, and 17 companies linked to Putin's inner circle, which will be subject to an asset freeze.
"In addition, the Department of Commerce has imposed additional restrictions on 13 of those companies by imposing a license requirement with a presumption of denial for the export, re-export or other foreign transfer of U.S.-origin items to the companies."
Also, the departments of Commerce and State are tightening their "policy to deny export license applications for any high-technology items that could contribute to Russia's military capabilities. Those Departments also will revoke any existing export licenses that meet these conditions," the White House said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/27/world/europe/russia-ukraine-sanctions/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

ergey Ryabkov, Russia's deputy minister for foreign relations, called the sanctions "meaningless, shameful, and disgusting."
"It will only intensify all the processes in Ukraine which it intends to change or stop," Ryabkov told CNN, speaking English. "It is yet another sign of a reckless behavior of the U.S. administration. No lessons are learned from the past. The U.S. does literally nothing to impress its cronies and clients in Kiev on whom there is full responsibility for constant deterioration of the situation in Ukraine. This is what needs to be changed and not the policy of Russia.
"A response of Moscow will follow, and it will be painfully felt in Washington D.C."
A senior Ukrainian government official called the new sanctions "a very good step, but we hope it's not the final step. Sector sanctions would be the really painful measure."

The seven officials named are:
-- Oleg Belavantsev, Russia's envoy to Crimea.
-- Sergei Chemezov, who oversees Russia's high-tech sector as head of state-owned corporation Rostec and is "a trusted ally of Putin," according to the White House.
-- Dmitry Kozak, deputy prime minister.
-- Evgeniy Murov, director of Russia's Federal Protective Service.
-- Aleksei Pushkov, deputy of the State Duma.
-- Igor Sechin, president of Russia's leading petroleum company, Rosneft.
-- Vyacheslav Volodin, Putin's first deputy chief of staff, one of the advisers who encouraged Putin to move into Crimea, according to the White House.

Earlier, speaking to reporters in Manila, Philippines, Obama praised the Ukrainian government for abiding by its agreements made in Geneva and operating "in good faith."
The goal of the new sanctions, he said, is not to go after Putin personally, but "to change his calculus with respect to how the current actions that he's engaging in in Ukraine could have an adverse impact on the Russian economy over the long haul -- and to encourage him to actually walk the walk and not just talk the talk when it comes to diplomatically resolving the crisis."
"There are specific steps that Russia can take. And if it takes those steps, then you can see an election taking place in Ukraine; you can see the rights of all people inside of Ukraine respected."
If the latest round of sanctions don't work, the next phase could target sectors such as banking, Obama said.

The European Union also is expected to impose sanctions Monday on about 15 Russian officials who are believed to be undermining democracy and creating chaos in Ukraine, according to Western diplomats.
The sanctions will include asset freezes and travel bans.
The EU is not expected to impose sanctions on Putin associates in part because the European judiciary system has a much higher bar in terms of applying the law, the diplomats said.
Judges are not able to look at intelligence to sign off on the sanctions, they said. One Western diplomat said there was also some division within the EU as to whether sanctions against Putin's cronies should be imposed.
Several European countries are also concerned that their economic interests would be greatly affected by such sanctions. Additionally, some countries feel more space should be given to diplomacy before such measures are considered, the diplomat said.
Neither the United States nor EU is ready to impose sanctions on Russian industries, like the energy sector, both U.S. officials and Western diplomats said.
"Today's targeted actions, taken in close coordination with the EU, will increase the impact we have already begun to see on Russia's own economy as a result of Russia's actions in Ukraine and from U.S. and international sanctions," U.S.Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said in a statement. "Russian economic growth forecasts have dropped sharply, capital flight has accelerated and higher borrowing costs reflect declining confidence in the market outlook."

baritone

In Russia there is a lot of supporters and opponents of Putin, who believe that these sanctions are very helpful for the prosperity of Russia. It is difficult to understand what Putin himself thinks about the sanctions.

Putin reached its goals. The Ukrainian government feels instability of his position and is ready to meet halfway. Military operation against the separatists actually stopped. Separatists fed Ukrainian soldiers, the soldiers allow separatist militants to move across the area, which separatists consider theirs. Probably separatists will hold a referendum of independence. Separatists no longer insist that if the referendum vote for independence, they will join Russia. It is looks like they made sure that Putin does not want to join them. I have already said that Putin does not want problems with Donetsk miners.

Now all conflicting sides may claim that they won. Putin can claim that he reached its goals and did not allow the Ukrainian government to force his troops to storm, during which they would have to apply machine guns and artillery against civilians. Obama and the Ukrainian government may claim that Putin withdrew his troops from the border with Ukraine because he was afraid of sanctions. If no one will make any sudden movements and everything will go as it is, everything will be settled to the general satisfaction.

archaic

If this ends with no more deaths, then everyone has won.
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Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

USA has mobilized paratroopers to Estonia.
The last 150 of 600 US paratroopers have arrived in the Baltic region to reassure another NATO Ally close to the conflict in Ukraine.
A ceremony in Estonia welcomed soldiers from the 173rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, as they joined forces deployed in Poland, Lithuania and Latvia to conduct joint training exercises.

US sends paratroopers to Estonia

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Vawmataw

My prediction: A part of the Ukraine will fall into the hands of the Russia.
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baritone

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on May 04, 2014, 04:59:11 PM
My prediction: A part of the Ukraine will fall into the hands of the Russia.
Maybe. However, the separatists themselves still have not decided how they want to separate from Kiev.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/world/europe/behind-the-masks-in-ukraine-many-faces-of-rebellion.html?hp
In addition, Putin would prefer an independent Ukraine, but Russia friendly (like Finland).
Some of the leaders of Donetsk Republic said that they rise an army to capture Kiev.  :o
Since part of the miners now supported the separatists, nothing can be excluded.
Quote from: Tsanten Eywa 'eveng on May 04, 2014, 02:04:48 PM
Ukraine crisis has spread to the south in Ukraine, to Odessa.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/04/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
In my opinion, the article sets out the events in Odessa on May 2 in a false light.  >:(

Tsanten Eywa 'eveng

Damn, Vladimir Putin is a terrible liar. AFP, Associated Press and Reuters reported that Russia according to President Vladimir Putin has withdrawn its forces from the Ukrainian border. That's not true, according to NATO.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/putin-russia-pulled-back-troops-ukrainian-border-article-1.1782809

Vawmataw

I have a feeling that Putin wants the country, at least where the Ukrainian Russians are.
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