Presidentship of Trump...

[Blue Elf]

One disclaimer: Politics is about clash of Ideas, not feelings. So let the feeling at home.

It SHOULD BE, but in real it IS NOT. At least here in CZ and mostly in EU too, it is about money transfer. Who has wheel in the hands, uses public money trying to win next vote.
So, Mr. Trump is now president and take first steps. One of these is start of destroying Obama's healthcare insurance and related things. It also reminds situation here in CZ - what one government brings to life, following opposite government destroys. So far, nothing new.

[Vawmataw]

One day I've read a post somewhere in the Avatar community and I understood from it that no matter the government you'll still wake up everyday under a roof, with tap water, food and a TV. I don't say it's easy and there's no injustice, but there will be no good or bad government.

[archaic]

Some good points there, ma Hahaw.
That sure quieted things down.

Actually it wouldn't have. Not if my computer was working properly, but it has been having random issues recently. I had a long, carefully written reply to Hahaw post. Shame it logged me out instead of posting it. 

[BlueHusky2154]

One day I've read a post somewhere in the Avatar community and I understood from it that no matter the government you'll still wake up everyday under a roof, with tap water, food and a TV. I don't say it's easy and there's no injustice, but there will be no good or bad government.

What about North Korea?

[Vawmataw]

Then it's another story. It doesn't apply to dictatorships and very strict governments, but rather to the western civilisation. However, lots of them have a house, they just don't have much freedom and the right justice.

I think with we shouldn't see the presidency of Trump as a national catastrophe, but rather as program a lot of people disagree with and that will probably brign disadvantages.

[BlueHusky2154]

Honestly, we should see it as a new beginning. He's an outsider that won't put up with any B.S.
Trump wants to put an end to corruption, illegal immigration, radical Islamic terrorism, welfare abuse, and poverty. He may not do all these things, but at least he'll get America headed in the right direction.

My views:

Spoiler

Radical Islam:
Under the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution, you have the right to freedom of speech, religion, and press. I fully support that, but radical Islamic terrorism must be stopped, and quickly. We need to to full background checks on immigrants from Muslim nations and heighten security.

Corruption:
The Obama administration worked with the Clinton Foundation to embezzle millions out of Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia, only to make the Obama and Clinton families rich. The Obama administration also put the United States trillions in debt, mainly because Obama was keeping US troops in the Middle East.

Illegal Immigration:
It's called illegal for a reason. It's against the law. America was founded on the concept of immigration, and I respect and understand that. But the problem is when immigrants come in without any forms of ID or and paperwork, and are in the workforce illegally. If they want to come, they can do it the legal way.

Welfare Abuse:
Many capable people abuse the federal welfare system, so they don't have to have a job. Welfare is a good thing, if you are disabled and can't work, but I have a problem with people who quit their jobs and get money from the federal government, forcing hardworking taxpayers to pay for their beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. This is unacceptable. The Trump administration has promised to get capable people off welfare, and back into the workforce, even if it's a part-time job at McDonald's.

Poverty:
"White people don't know what it's like to be poor."
-Sen. Bernie Sanders (D, Vermont)
Yes, he actually said that.
There are plenty of white people below the poverty line, perfectly capable of working, sitting on the corner, begging for money, when the McDonald's across the street has a big "NOW HIRING" sign on the window. Saddening, isn't it?

[Rotobull cz]

I somehow caught that he said that Merkel did a mistake by letting the immigrants (such great amounts of immigrants) into Germany... It's just a quote, but it's a bit of a change. Politics doesn't concern me that much anymore... It's just the public results of multiple trades...

[trdrpxplds]

but as i said, popular vote does not matter because USA is Republic. If you want democracy, you'll have to change contitution. Funny how nobody was bothered with it suddenly untill now.

Wrong. Millions were bothered with the electoral college after George W. Bush became president in 2000 despite losing the popular vote. Of course, it helped that Dubya's brother Jeb, as well as Katherine Harris, almost certainly rigged Florida with the confusing butterfly ballots in the most Democratic parts and the civic workers who were scaring reliably blue African-Americans away from the polls. I remember my high school classmates and how really upset we were with Bush and the electoral college. (Our parents and teachers, however, kept saying, "Don't change the status quo!", and later started worshiping Bush after September 11, 2001.)

[archaic]

Honestly, we should see it as a new beginning. He's an outsider that won't put up with any B.S.
Trump wants to put an end to corruption, illegal immigration, radical Islamic terrorism, welfare abuse, and poverty. He may not do all these things, but at least he'll get America headed in the right direction.

Trump say's he does, not everybody believes he is being entirely honest.

Radical Islam:
Under the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution, you have the right to freedom of speech, religion, and press. I fully support that, but radical Islamic terrorism must be stopped, and quickly. We need to to full background checks on immigrants from Muslim nations and heighten security.

You support the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution, does Trump?
You support freedom of the press? Trump does not.
You support freedom of the religion? Trump does not. Not if you are a muslim.
You support freedom of speech? Trump does not. Not if you criticize him in any way.
You "fully support" the 1st Amendment and the freedom of religion it enshrines, and believe radical Islamic terrorism must be stopped, and quickly. Do you know why the 'Pilgrim Fathers left Europe? It was so the could practice hard line religious extremism.
Personally I do not condone terrorism of any kind. Even when I sympathize with the underling sentiments.

Corruption:
The Obama administration worked with the Clinton Foundation to embezzle millions out of Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia, only to make the Obama and Clinton families rich.

This was a fake news story, there were a lot of them. It's called propaganda.

The Obama administration also put the United States trillions in debt, mainly because Obama was keeping US troops in the Middle East.

George W Bush got us into this war. He was a Republican, btw.
Interestingly, it was his father who started the first Gulf war, I think I remember that he was a Republican too.
If the American public was provided with proper global news, more of it might see the images most of the rest of the world saw. You guys might have seen, heard and read the reports we got, might understand the mess the premature pull out has caused.
Truth is, whatever Obama may have wanted to do, the Republicans in the two houses stopped him from doing it.
Want to know why he didn't do more? It's because too many Americans voted for Republican Senators and Representatives.

Illegal Immigration:
It's called illegal for a reason. It's against the law. America was founded on the concept of immigration, and I respect and understand that. But the problem is when immigrants come in without any forms of ID or and paperwork, and are in the workforce illegally. If they want to come, they can do it the legal way.

This level of oversimplification shows lack of understanding about the realities of the outside world. If we are talking about a country like Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan, or anyplace in Europe, then it is a reasonable expectation that legitimate travelers should have Passports etc. If it's someplace like Somalia, then there aren't going to be any documents.  Many people around the world do not have the opportunity to do it the legal way, it's not their fault they were born in a war zone, a despotic dictatorship, or a failed state. You are extremely lucky that, despite it's flaws, the US is mostly pretty much straight up and down.

Welfare Abuse:
Many capable people abuse the federal welfare system, so they don't have to have a job. Welfare is a good thing, if you are disabled and can't work, but I have a problem with people who quit their jobs and get money from the federal government, forcing hardworking taxpayers to pay for their beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. This is unacceptable. The Trump administration has promised to get capable people off welfare, and back into the workforce, even if it's a part-time job at McDonald's.

The sad thing is that this is mostly a red herring, there are actually far fewer folks doing it than some politicians would like you to imagine, most, but not all of these politicians are Republican. What the Republicans don't like to talk about is the sad fact that the treasury looses way more from rich folks avoiding paying their taxes than from Welfare Abuse.
It is worth pointing out that the US is not the only country where this is true!!!!!!!

Poverty:
"White people don't know what it's like to be poor."
-Sen. Bernie Sanders (D, Vermont)
Yes, he actually said that.
There are plenty of white people below the poverty line, perfectly capable of working, sitting on the corner, begging for money, when the McDonald's across the street has a big "NOW HIRING" sign on the window. Saddening, isn't it?

While I agree that poverty is not limited to only Blacks, Hispanics or Native Americans in the US, you should be aware that the average wage is higher among white males than any other group. Civil liberties are more likely to be ignored among Blacks and Hispanics in the US. So much for all men being created equal.
Muslims now face an uncertain future, regardless of their skin color - so at least that's one for racial equality.



A while back I came across a passage I feel may be relevant here. Admittedly, I don't recall where it's from .....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

[archaic]

Sorry to bang on, but I felt the need to add this to general consideration.

The Vietnam War started November first 1955, by Republican president Dwight D. Eisenhower.
The Defense Department reports the total cost of fighting the this war was US$173 billion (adjusted for inflation, that's around US$1 trillion today). Veteran's benefits and interest adds another $250 billion (around US$1.5 trillion today).


Republican president Donald Trump has been hinting he may send forces to join the war in Syria. Cost, unknown.

[archaic]

I'll just leave this here .....


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/protests-against-travel-ban-continue-for-second-straight-day.html

[trdrpxplds]

I see now that Hahaw is 16 and lives in the Czech Republic. In other words, he was a baby when the dimpled chad fiasco from 2000 occurred, and wasn't even living in the country where he would hear about it at a young age. No wonder he doesn't know that people were upset over the electoral college back then!

[archaic]

Dimpled and hanging chads were just the tip of a particularly odious iceberg.
Do you remember the Secretary of State's office 'purged' the Florida voting rolls, illegally denying votes to tens of thousands of citizens it labeled as 'felons', with conspicuously disproportionate number African-Americans affected. As Democrats pointed out at the time, many were not felons and were perfectly entitled to vote under Florida law.
Or the police and election officials had harassed, intimidated or just plain turned away voters, primarily in precincts with African-American majorities.

Or that an alarmingly high proportion of votes had been defaced, with two selections for president apparently being marked. Bob Naegele, who certifies voting machines for the Federal Election Commission, is on record as saying that while this 'overvoting' is approximately 0.1% for punch-card ballots across the nation, Duval County it was 7.5% of votes, seventy five times the rate!

Or persistent stories of police blocking access to the polls.

Or the turnout in predominantly African-Americans had been massively higher than expected, which had 'overwhelmed local officials'.

Or that between the recounts and the courts, it took 36 days to finally announce that of six million votes cast in Florida, the Republicans had a majority of just 537. Baring in mind that Florida had and still has a history of disenfranchising African-Americans, and that Florida's governor is non other than George W Bush's younger brother, Jeb Bush.


I could go on! It is my honest and sincere opinion, that the 2000 presidential election stank to high heaven, and then some.

[trdrpxplds]

Oh, I definitely agree with you about the 2000 Election. In the post before that, I wrote: "Of course, it helped that Dubya's brother Jeb, as well as Katherine Harris, almost certainly rigged Florida with the confusing butterfly ballots in the most Democratic parts and the civic workers who were scaring reliably blue African-Americans away from the polls." George W. Bush was about as legitimate a president as Barney the Dinosaur would be.

[archaic]

You did, sorry for not acknowledging that in my post above. My bad.

[trdrpxplds]

You did, sorry for not acknowledging that in my post above. My bad.

THink nothing of it!

[archaic]

Watching James Comey appearing before Congress.
(former FBI Director President Donald Trump fired recently)

I do have one question, is John McCain actually severely mentally retarded?
Or is is he just way too desperate to present the two entirely separate an wholly unrelated investigations of Hillary Clinton's emails (now concluded), and the possible Russian interference in the presidential election (on going) as being some how clear evidence of double standards?


 

[Vawmataw]

The hashtag #ComeyDay on Twitter makes me think of ''comedy''.

[archaic]

Watching James Comey appearing before Congress.
(former FBI Director President Donald Trump fired recently)

I do have one question, is John McCain actually severely mentally retarded?
Or is is he just way too desperate to present the two entirely separate an wholly unrelated investigations of Hillary Clinton's emails (now concluded), and the possible Russian interference in the presidential election (on going) as being some how clear evidence of double standards?


 

It turns out John McCain had a brain tumor, I didn't know, I feel ashamed.

 

[Jak Dawsiin]

in the wake of the Charlottesville domestic terrorism incident with the Ohio crazy who rammed the crowd with his car and wounded/killed people, i find it very odd that trump would come out and publicly name names in condemning the violence and tragedy but still not calling it what it is, domestic terrorism. trump called out the white supremists, neo-nazis, kkk, skinheads, confederate racists, two days later of course, but he called them out by name, wut?!....these are the 'people' who voted him into office. does he not understand the definition of irony??? smh


he is such an orange-faced twitter troll and FAUXnews puppet. i am embarrassed greatly.