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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2011, 06:55:56 am »
new computer so I don't know how to type that ä yet  :P

Hähähä!
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2011, 10:12:54 am »


Fì'u lu kea vur ki nì'aw tìnusìn nemfa menari poanä.

...faysawtute! Holpxaype sìngäzìkit fol zamaryunge ayoer!
Oeru aylahe syaw Loak, txura Loak, ulte oe LU txur!
Oe kin livu txur fte hivawnu oel soaiat oeyä.
Oeyä sa'sem, yawnea muntxate alu Sorewn, ulte 'evengan ahì'i moeyä alu Kamun.
Kamunìri solalew zìsìt apxey ní'aw ulte pori oe frakem sasyi fte hrrapit neto kivurakx.
Oeyä txe'lanmì tìve'kì ke leru ulte nìngay sunu oeru aysäfpìl Kìrìysìyä,
slä oel vay set ke tsole'a sutet a lu kawng fìtxan na faysawtute.
Srane ma Eytukan, oe txopu ke seri ulte oeyä ayswizaw lu pxi sì alaksi...

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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2011, 11:09:01 am »
Very good! :D

Some corrections:

-Fì'u lu kea vur ki nì'aw tìnusìn nemfa menari poanä.
<us> is only used when you make an adjective out of a verb :)

-Oeru aylahe fko syaw Loak, txura Loak, ulte oe LU txur!
lahe is an adjective and can therefore not be used with ay+.
This phrase is also know to be used with fko.

- Kin is used like this instead of modal verb:
Oer lu tìkin a livu txur fte hivawnu oel soaiat oeyä.

- Oeyä sa'sem, yawnea muntxate alu Sorewn, ulte 'evengan ahì'i moeyä alu Kamun.
Ulte is connecting two sentences, and connect things, like a list.
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2011, 04:25:45 pm »
Ngaru tsulfä, ma Le'eylan :)
slä lu oeru 'a'awa txele a ke tslolam:

Isn't tì-n<us>ìn actually a noun describing the action "nìn"? I choosed this tì-<us> combination because of its productivity, instead of simple tì- prefix.
I wanted the meaning of noun "look" or "view", but such noun does not exist independently in Na'vi.

aylahe: I was confused by aylari/aylahu and i completely forgot that lahe is only adjective. Really missing noun here :) because fko is too generic. I wanted to express "the others [from us]" in this one word. AylaheXX pronouns are explained as contraction of ay-lahe-XX, and i think i even noticed somewhere aylahe as pronoun by Frommer. I must search deeply... :P

: I know that this entire line (Oeyä sa'sem, yawnea muntxate alu Sorewn, ulte 'evengan ahì'i moeyä alu Kamun.) is not gramatically correct because there are no full sentences. I thought on this as a sort of list separated only by pause (sa'sem,.... yawnea) or pause with ulte. If i use as in "muntxate alu Sorewn sì 'evengan", is binding 'evengan with Sorewn, or with muntxate?
I think "ulte" as separator of independent clauses (or words, things etc.), and "sì" only as connector of multiple constituents of same type - as in "Oel tse'a Peyralit sì Neytirit" is "Peyralit sì Neytirit" gramatically one single object.
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2011, 07:45:08 pm »
-Oeru aylahe fko syaw Loak, txura Loak, ulte oe LU txur!
lahe is an adjective and can therefore not be used with ay+.
This phrase is also know to be used with fko.

Or if your intentions are really for the others, try aylapo instead of aylahe :)

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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2011, 05:59:30 am »
Isn't tì-n<us>ìn actually a noun describing the action "nìn"? I choosed this tì-<us> combination because of its productivity, instead of simple tì- prefix.
I wanted the meaning of noun "look" or "view", but such noun does not exist independently in Na'vi.
Here are my thoughts, ma Tanri (I hope I'm using correct linquistic terminology):
<us> is intended to change verb in adjective, so nusìn mean something like "making a look" (probably not exact in my English, but in Czech: "dívající se" (those who don't undrestand will forgive me)).
Tì- prefix is used to create abstract noun from verb, in English probably "sight" (in Czech: "dívání se -> pohled"). Because nusìn is adjective, we can't use tì- prefix.
EDIT: oh, I noticed now that tì- can be used even with adjectives, so my answer is completely useless :'(
But I would use tìnín as Le'eylan

Anyway, excelent contribution. All people should read it.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2011, 09:46:02 am by Blue Elf »
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2011, 05:34:00 pm »
Tìkangkem lekelku oeyä:
('Upxare Puvomunur: Heyn ro hllte, rutxe. Oel fmìyi livu hiyìk :))

Oe lu uniltìrantokx alu Norm. Oeyä uniltìranyu oeti ìmeyk fìtrr few mawl Eywa'eveng sì ne'ìm, taluna mehinam oeru tìsrängaw sì ulte oe lu ngeyn nìtxan. 'Awkrr oel tsati teykätxasyaw poru - oel poti ayeyk!

Oel ultxaramun sevina tutét ro fya'o. Poeru lu rìkean menari, nikre yawnìm nemfa swintsyìp, ngima kxetse sì tsawla tsko. Oeru poe suneiu nìtxan. Poel ke tsamun pivlltxe poeyä tstxo, slä poe zaya'u trray frrfen ayoengit. Oeru lu yawnatseie poe. :-*
Set oel yìyom 'uot ftxìlor ulte oe hìyaheiaaaaaaaaaw vay kxamtrray.


Why we don't have such words like bead, necklase, bracelet an other useless things that women usually wear? It is impossible to describe exactly who Norm met!
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2011, 01:21:25 am »
('Upxare Puvomunur: Heyn ro hllte, rutxe. Oel fmìyi livu hiyìk :))
Txantsan, ma tsmukan, lu txan hiyìk. :)
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2011, 10:19:25 am »
Isn't tì-n<us>ìn actually a noun describing the action "nìn"? I choosed this tì-<us> combination because of its productivity, instead of simple tì- prefix.
I wanted the meaning of noun "look" or "view", but such noun does not exist independently in Na'vi.
Here are my thoughts, ma Tanri (I hope I'm using correct linquistic terminology):
<us> is intended to change verb in adjective, so nusìn mean something like "making a look" (probably not exact in my English, but in Czech: "dívající se" (those who don't undrestand will forgive me)).
Tì- prefix is used to create abstract noun from verb, in English probably "sight" (in Czech: "dívání se -> pohled"). Because nusìn is adjective, we can't use tì- prefix.
EDIT: oh, I noticed now that tì- can be used even with adjectives, so my answer is completely useless :'(
But I would use tìnín as Le'eylan

Anyway, excelent contribution. All people should read it.

A quick add-on for clarification:

tì<us> construction has completely nothing to do with tì- or <us> alone. This is a prefix-infix combination specially for deriving noun, which describes action of a verb. And it is productive, we can use it freely on any verb.

tì- prefix is also noun-deriving, but it is not productive, thus we cannot use it freely. Noun derived by tì- has to be already in the dictionary - such nouns cannot be created "on demand".

Thus, nìn -> nusìn -> tìnusìn is a wrong sequence. The correct one is nìn -> tìnusìn.
The meaning i wanted to express was "the look". If i had the authority to create new words, i could create the noun tìnìn - "the view, the look (at something)", but i am not. So i had to go around with a tìnusìn - "the looking, the viewing".


-Oeru aylahe fko syaw Loak, txura Loak, ulte oe LU txur!
lahe is an adjective and can therefore not be used with ay+.
This phrase is also know to be used with fko.
Or if your intentions are really for the others, try aylapo instead of aylahe :)

Irayo ngaru seiyi oe nìtxan, ma Inspirata. Oe lu skxawng atsawl.

This is my very bad habit - when i write something from memory and i am sure about it, i do not check it against dictionary or other sources. Sometimes i remember outdated or incorrect things, and the only way to fix them is to be warned by someone else. :)
Thank you.


Kaltxí! Oe lu Swayana! ;3
Ma Ikranari, vur ngeyä lu txantsan nang!
Stum oe tsun tsive'a Swayanati sì tsmukanit poeyä... vrrtep ahì'i ulte hiyìka tsmukan ;D

Great story, it's very easy to truly believe in it!
« Last Edit: March 22, 2011, 04:16:15 pm by Tanri »
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2011, 07:48:46 am »
Homework for this week:
Neytiri and Tsu'tey have an interesting conversation, that seems to make Tsu'tey rather upset.
What are they saying?

I found this homework so awesome I made a version myself :3
« Last Edit: April 09, 2011, 08:34:47 am by Le'eylan »
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2011, 07:57:50 am »
On class times: I can't make it earlier than 18:00. Maybe sometimes I can, but that's very uncertain/unpredictable. (This is the same for every work-day.)
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2011, 08:08:57 am »
On class times: I can't make it earlier than 18:00. Maybe sometimes I can, but that's very uncertain/unpredictable. (This is the same for every work-day.)
Please, post this here as well :)
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2011, 08:12:14 am »
On class times: I can't make it earlier than 18:00. Maybe sometimes I can, but that's very uncertain/unpredictable. (This is the same for every work-day.)
Please, post this here as well :)
Done, of course. Ke lu ngäzik. ;)
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2011, 05:05:45 pm »
Homework for this week:
Neytiri and Tsu'tey have an interesting conversation, that seems to make Tsu'tey rather upset.
What are they saying?

I found this homework so awesome I made a version myself :3
great! I just wondering about meypsiyu - shouldn't it be meyptu ? Meyp is adjective,so how we can connect it with si?
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2011, 09:46:07 am »
My homework - text only, as I am lazy to learn how to work with graphic editor, and even I've created extended version:

Neytiri: Pelun nga sti, ma Tsu'tey?
Tsu'tey: Oeyä tsko lu fwel !

Neytiri: Kea tìngäzìk, nga tsun ngivop mipa tsko, kefyak?
Tsu'tey: Sran, slä oe ke tsun tivaron vay tsakrr! Ulte oe sngerä'i 'ivefu ohakx pxiset!

Neytiri: Yom fkxenit, tsaw lu ftxìlor ulte srung si fpomtokxur.
Tsu'tey: Oe stolatsawn nìkeyawr. Fkxenit ?!? Nga zolene slivu lekye’ung !

Neytiri: Nga 'awve, ma skxawngtsyìp !!
Tsu'tey: Ma Eywa, fyape oel ngati steyki? Yängom fkxenit !!!!
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2011, 01:13:15 pm »
Kaltxì ma eylan,
oel muwìntxu tìkangkemit oeyä fpi fímuntrr :)


N: Kaltxì ma Tsu’tey! Tìtaronìri lefìtrr, srake tsìyun Jake mivakto awngahu?
T: Tsaskxawng?! Nga tswa’! Fìkrrvay po ke tsun kea kem sivi.

N: Rä’ä plltxe nìtsleng! Li pol omum ayut apxay ulte ye’rìn keng po layeiu hapxìtu Na’viyä.
T: Tse..ìì..srane. Slä nga zayene vivewng pot ulte tìtaronit oeyä ke hasyultstxem pol.

N: Irayo seiyi ngaru ma Tsu’tey! Fìtxele poru prrte’ layu nìngay ulte pol nalyume ayuot amip.
T: Slä nari si poru nìtxan ma Neytiri! Txo pol awngaru smarit teykayatep, menga ’asyefu ohakx fìtrr.

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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2011, 01:18:15 pm »
My homework - text only, as I am lazy to learn how to work with graphic editor
You, ma 'eylan, are a computer programmer. Oeyä tsmukan in the art.
Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2011, 10:27:22 pm »
*reads ayvur*

*sunu*

HRRRRH ;D ;D

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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2011, 10:51:30 am »
Homework done!
HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH HAHAH
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Re: GMT +1
« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2011, 11:25:20 am »
Here is my attempt.

Krr a lì'fya lam sraw, may' frivìp utralit.

Ngopyu ayvurä.

 

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