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Gender endings -an and -e
« on: July 11, 2017, 03:59:44 pm »
I wonder, how freely productive are these endings. So far I have seen them only attached to base root nouns like 'eveng-an/e or attached to some -tu nouns like muntxatu, where -tu becomes -tan/te.

In the vocabulary i have seen some -tu nouns that aren't accompanied by gendered forms. For example I have seen numultxatu but not numultxatan or numultxate. So, should I coin up the gendered forms, or is it wrong/uncertain?

What about the -yu nouns? I haven't seen anywhere taronyuan or taronyuan or the like.

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Re: Gender endings -an and -e
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 04:51:15 pm »
Kaltxì ma Mech!

Great question. :D

After some digging into some Canon stuff, I found these relating to gender suffixes etc.:

Jan 09
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Po is used for he/she unless it's desirable to make a gender distinction--e.g. to avoid ambiguity in discourse.)

Genders and Plurals

The sexed forms of po — poan and poe — may not be pluralized.
Olo'eyktan is not [necessarily] a male leader.
The sex suffixes are not productive.

So I suppose that is the ruling right there: In October 2010, (I feel like I even kinda remember this because I was there) Frommer announced that the sex suffixes -an and -e are not productive. Which would mean that the only use case for -an and -e are words which can be found listed in the dictionary. That would explain why we have not seen any words that end in tuan/tue, yuan/yue, or any other noun not listed using -an and -e for a gender distinction.

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Re: Gender endings -an and -e
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 05:33:20 pm »
Mllte oe.

Not productive :)

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Re: Gender endings -an and -e
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2017, 02:48:50 am »
Mengengaru oe irayo seiyi, meylan.

I am aware of the notorious case of tute > tutan and tute. Does this mean that the -an/-e makes the stress to behave "unpredictably"? Or just that the word tute is an exception?

In all other examples I noticed, the stress is consistent, and tute is the only case where it changes. The reason seems to be the disambiguation between the ungendered form and the feminine form. So the rule seems to be that the gender endings don't change the stress, and this particular word is an exception.

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Re: Gender endings -an and -e
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2017, 03:49:28 am »
tute is an exception and the pronoun forms poan and poe carry the stress in the gender part, in all other instances, as you noticed, the stress doesn't change.

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Re: Gender endings -an and -e
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2017, 09:23:04 am »
So I suppose that is the ruling right there: In October 2010, (I feel like I even kinda remember this because I was there) Frommer announced that the sex suffixes -an and -e are not productive.
Bummer! I wanted to use syehan and syehe. :(
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Re: Gender endings -an and -e
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2017, 02:52:47 pm »
tute is an exception and the pronoun forms poan and poe carry the stress in the gender part, in all other instances, as you noticed, the stress doesn't change.
IIRC it is the only exception.
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