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Started by Eltu Lefngap Makto, December 18, 2011, 09:08:00 PM

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Eltu Lefngap Makto

I see that Reference Grammer §3.3.4 is "marooned", whether fra + ay+ becomes fray+, but I still have a question for the powers-at-be and Na'vi speakers in general.

In English, we distinguish between "Search everywhere/every place he's gone" and "Search all the places he went".  This lead me to think Na'vi would have

A. Fwivew fratsengit a po kolä
and
B. Fwivew fraysengit a po kolä

Fko say that we only should use A, not B.  But I say they are different.  What say aynga?
'Ivong, Na'vi!

'Oma Tirea

Plltxe oe, there's probably not going to be a fray+ prefix.

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Kemaweyan

I don't see any meaning in fray+ prefix too :-\
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

Tirea Aean

Quote from: 'Oma Tirea on December 18, 2011, 09:18:30 PM
Plltxe oe, there's probably not going to be a fray+ prefix.

Eltu Lefngap Makto

Why?  Is it "a Na'vi thing" or you don't see any difference?
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'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on December 18, 2011, 10:06:32 PM
Why?  Is it "a Na'vi thing" or you don't see any difference?

This, and there's also nìwotx in our vocab.

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Plumps

Could have been a glitch but Pawl used fra- + the short plural of a word at least once in a blog post comment.

Tirea Aean

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Quote from: Plumps on December 19, 2011, 01:27:12 AM
Could have been a glitch but Pawl used fra- + the short plural of a word at least once in a blog post comment.

Quote from: PawlTsun fko ngivop aylì'ut fa –yu ta frahemlì'u a luke hemlì'uvi, slä hemlì'uri a hu hemlì'uvi ke tsun tsakem sivi

and of course Annis was WAY on top of that one! xD

Quote from: Wm AnnisFrahemlì'u or frakemlì'u? If fra- can be used in conjunction with number marking, I have a series of follow-up questions for some later time (which is summarized pretty neatly as: "framesute?").

Blue Elf

fray+ prefix is not approved, AFAIK
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Kamean

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

Although I think Wm. Annis is on the right track in thinking that fra- and ay+ could contract into fray+, you will notice that this in pink in the refrence grammar. Anything in pink is something that Wm. Annis suspects to be the case, but has not been confirmed. And even if fra- and ay+ contract into fray+, I sort of doubt that this will result in an attested prefix. It is just one of those 'Na'vi things' you will have to remember.

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Tanri

Quote from: Plumps on December 19, 2011, 01:27:12 AM
Could have been a glitch but Pawl used fra- + the short plural of a word at least once in a blog post comment.
This reminds me that even the greatest minds have the right to make some little mistakes, because without them a progress in knowledge wouldn't be possible.
Personally, I prefer to not (yet) combine fra- with plural forms, until explicit confirmation ta Karyu Pawl, and subsequent legalisation of fray+.

Quote from: Eltu Lefngap Makto on December 18, 2011, 09:08:00 PM
In English, we distinguish between "Search everywhere/every place he's gone" and "Search all the places he went".
I agree, would be nice to cover this subtle differences in meaning. Nice, but not critically required. ;)
Tätxawyu akì'ong.