l+ll or r+rr?

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Tìtstewan

Quote from: [Holum] on February 20, 2015, 09:08:17 PM
I propose a new version of prrkxentrrkrr: Pìrrrkxentìrrrkìrrr. ;D


...Horen 2.3.2


Pseudovowel Contraction. Due to the shape of the aspect infixes, <er> and <ol>, it is
possible for the pseudovowels to occur immediately after their consonantal counterpart, as in
*p<ol>lltxe. When this happens in an unstressed syllable, the pseudovowel disappears, poltxe.
In a stressed syllable, the infix disappears, *f<er>rrfen > frrfen. Pseudovowels in monsyllables
behave as though unaccented, vol from *v<ol>ll.


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Vawmataw

#1
Ma Tìtstewan, it concerns the verbs only. How about the nouns, the adjectives, the adverbs... ?
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Tìtstewan

Contractions happening also for all other word classes.
The point of that information in Horen is as following:

A consonant in front of a pseudovowel is needed, but one can't add the counterparts consonants of the pseudovowel (l+ll or r+rr), because it either would merge to l/r (the pseudovowel drops) or it remains ll/rr, which depents on the stress of a word. The above mentioned example of vol shows us, that there is no l-ll and obviously no r-rr, because vll + <ol> would theoretically be *vo.lll, but it actually isn't.
Also, how one would pronounce a l-ll or r-rr syllable?

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阿波

With a difference in its length?

Vawmataw

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IPA for rrr: [rːː]
IPA for lll: [ll] (say LOL without the o)
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Tìtstewan

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Quote from: Vawmataw on February 21, 2015, 06:59:02 AM
IPA for rrr: [rːː]
IPA for lll: [ll] (say LOL without the o)
Rather:
[ ɾṛ ]
[ ll̩ ]

kefyak?

Quote from: EzyRyder on February 21, 2015, 06:51:39 AM
With a difference in its length?
No, the pseudovowel would be replaced by l / r.


PS: I am going to split and move this part to the intermediate section, because this is way to interesting to be in the /spam section anymore. :)
- tsakem soli :)

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阿波

I didn't mean in Na'vi. Just in general, it would be possible. I think it's called gemination.