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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2020 on: May 09, 2011, 03:23:51 pm »
No worries. Let me know if it comes up again.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2021 on: May 14, 2011, 02:49:27 am »
Noun case inflections: -ya: IPA is incorrect (should be [ja] where [ya] was used instead)

Also with -y: same thing happens after pronouns ending on o, too (po, fko, sno).

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2022 on: May 14, 2011, 07:59:21 am »
Fixed the IPA. Not sure what you mean by the -o words. Or, at least, so rusty on the details that I'd feel afraid to change it.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2023 on: May 16, 2011, 11:01:51 pm »
I see paynga' listed but not nga' itself...

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2024 on: May 17, 2011, 03:08:26 am »
Good catch! Sorry about that. Added.

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Fixed {\bf uk}. {\bf tìng, teswotìng} = vtr. {\bf Pätsì} now a loan word. Fixed the {\bf imv} example. {\bf atokirina'} now in flora. Added {\bf lelì'fya} {\it concerning language.} {\bf M$\cdot$$\cdot$äkxu.} Added note about monosyllabic stress to introduction. Added the words from the January 31st naviteri post. {\bf Emza'u} vtr., {\bf kllfro'} vin. Edited {\bf si} verbs to vin. {\bf Yayayr}, not yayawr. {\bf Yeysu} is a loan. Resyllabified the IPA for {\bf eyawr}. {\bf wäte} infix, {\bf tswayon} vtr. Added all words from \href{http://naviteri.org/2011/02/new-vocabulary-part-2/}{the new Naviteri post}. Added {\bf slele, wan} {\it swim, hide} and their derivations. Syllabified {\bf vrr.ìn.} {\bf Kar} now vtr. Gave primary stress to all monosyllabic words in compound constructions, such as {\bf ultxa si} or {\bf tìng nari}. {\bf Letwan} now modifies nouns. Fixed small error in {\bf ultxa si}.  {\bf Eyk} is, of course, vtr. Spelling errors in «asy» example. Same for {\bf sayrìp}  and {\bf takrra}. Edited {\bf tungzup} back. Fixed error in {\bf fay+}, {\bf tsa--}, {\bf oe kawkrr ke kamä} example. {\bf spaw} is vtr. {\bf eyawr} syllabified correctly. Added {\bf tìtaron} {\it hunting}. Added casual speech for {\bf nìayoeng, nìawomum}.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2025 on: May 18, 2011, 11:28:24 pm »
From here: ftang is now intransitive and modal.  The non modal version, also missing, is tìftang si.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2026 on: May 19, 2011, 03:41:30 am »
Ok, added.

I also made all + si words derivations instead of compound words. I think this is more accurate.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2027 on: May 20, 2011, 12:26:55 am »
Here's another idea: marking modal verbs in the dictionary as mod., vmd. vmod. or something similar (you decide that one).  There may still be a little ambiguity on the agentive case marking when it comes to transitive modals, namely new and fmi (and maybe kan), N.K.:

Oel new tsat, but
Oe new yivom tsat

This small confusion could be avoided by cleanly noting which verbs are modal.  Plus we wouldn't have to dig through other learning resources to find the answer easily.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2028 on: May 20, 2011, 02:39:39 am »
Here's another idea: marking modal verbs in the dictionary as mod., vmd. vmod. or something similar (you decide that one).  There may still be a little ambiguity on the agentive case marking when it comes to transitive modals, namely new and fmi (and maybe kan), N.K.:

Oel new tsat, but
Oe new yivom tsat

This small confusion could be avoided by cleanly noting which verbs are modal.  Plus we wouldn't have to dig through other learning resources to find the answer easily.

You  could also use vim or vtm for intransitive and transitive modals, respectively. Alternatively, since most modal verbs are intransitive, you could simply use vm, with vtrm for the occasional transitive modal. In any case, having modals marked in the dictionary is very helpful.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2029 on: May 20, 2011, 04:07:29 am »
How many modals are there, really?

Can you say: oe zene, without using a following verb? Doesn't that make it different from new? What about tìrangal? I'm not sure it'd really be efficient to separate these out.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2030 on: May 20, 2011, 10:47:34 am »
Is "tìftang si" really transitive, thus able to accomodate direct object?
To this time, all si-based verbs were strictly intransitive, taking only indirect object in dative case.
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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2031 on: May 20, 2011, 04:08:53 pm »
Is "tìftang si" really transitive, thus able to accomodate direct object?
To this time, all si-based verbs were strictly intransitive, taking only indirect object in dative case.
It isn't, ma Tanri, read this: http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/stop!/

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tsranten: PF vin. matter, be of import -> shouldn't it be: be of importance ?
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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2032 on: May 21, 2011, 11:06:33 am »
Don’t forget kawtseng and tsapo from here

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2033 on: May 22, 2011, 12:16:23 am »
How many modals are there, really?

Can you say: oe zene, without using a following verb? Doesn't that make it different from new? What about tìrangal? I'm not sure it'd really be efficient to separate these out.

Then could you at least make the formatting a little more uniform for the few modals that we do have?  Here are the inconsistencies:

var: not marked as modal
kan: currently: (can take subjunctive modal construction).  How about using this for all modal verbs instead of (with subjunctive).  It's the clearest of what's in the dictionary.
fmi: inconsistent formatting

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2034 on: May 23, 2011, 10:16:23 am »
before I forget, note this picture:


there are two distinct words that translate to medusa. Am I missing something?

EDIT: this is a somewhat old version that is using dict 11.86. I don't know if this was fixed or not

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2035 on: May 23, 2011, 11:30:13 am »
Announcement!

So, after 18 months of being the dictionary-man, (or Head Lexicographer, as I like to put on my CV), I am going to stop updating the dictionary. It's been a really great learning experience, for me, and I really enjoyed all of the enthusiasm that this board has to offer. As I've said elsewhere, I came here originally just to have a poke around, and the community here and this dictionary soon radically changed my view of Na'vi, and I ended up loving it and really enjoying all of the friends I've made here. Going to California was one of the highlights of my undergraduate career - and checking in here, daily, as I've been won't to do, has been a great and constant source of joy and constancy when a lot of my life has changed around me. 

However, I've become increasingly busy this year, as you may have noticed, and I just graduated from my undergraduate degree (unsurprisingly, in Linguistics). I have a pretty intensive job for the summer, and added on to that, I am going to be starting a masters in the fall. Because of this, I feel that it would be best if I let the dictionary go. I'm giving it over to Markì and Tirea Aean, in whose capable hands it should be completely safe.

I'll still be kicking around, here and there. But I just won't be the person to go to anymore for the dictionary. I'm going to lock this thread in a few days, as well, and there will be a new one for all of you to look at and submit your errors to. :)

Thanks, everyone, for making this a great experience. :)

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2036 on: May 23, 2011, 12:03:45 pm »
That’s sad news indeed. :(
Sad to see you go but I hope you’ll stick around.
Best of luck for your tasks that you set yourself. We’ll miss you as Mr Dictionary ;) you’ll stay in our records :D (as starsìmyu aylì’uä sì Skxawng Makto :D )

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2037 on: May 23, 2011, 12:12:24 pm »
Yessir sad news, but good times were had. People move on, I suppose. I hope to see you around every once in some time.

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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2038 on: May 23, 2011, 01:58:07 pm »
Ayoe 'efu keftxo, ma Taronyu. You did a great job, but life goes on. Let your followers are as good as you.
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Re: Our Dictionary
« Reply #2039 on: May 23, 2011, 02:35:40 pm »
Ma Taronyu, irayo seiyi ngaru nìtxan tìkangkemìri ngeyä fpi ayeylan lì’fyayä leNa’vi.
Seykxel sì nitram ulte Eywa ngahu frakrr! :)
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