Author Topic: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>  (Read 1121 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Eyawng te Klltepayu

  • Taronyu
  • ****
  • Posts: 531
  • Karma: 8
Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« on: May 13, 2011, 02:45:05 am »
I've generally steered clear of these infixes because I'm uncertain what kind of sentence would warrant their use. So far as I know they're not heard in any of the dialogue from the film, even in situations where characters seem pretty determined about future actions. Do we have any guidelines from Karyu Pawl?
Please tell me if you see mistakes in a Na'vi post of mine. It's the only way I'll learn. :P

Kan oe trro fnivan lì'fyat leNa'vi frapoto a foru ke sunängu rel arusikx alu Uniltìrantokx.

Offline Carborundum

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • Posts: 1021
  • Karma: 24
Re: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 05:54:15 am »
As I understand it, ‹asy› and ‹ìsy› denote prospective aspect, AKA going-to future. E.g:

Oe tayaron - I will hunt
Oe tasyaron - I am going to hunt
We learn from our mistakes only if we are made aware of them.
If I make a mistake, please bring it to my attention for karma.

Offline wm.annis

  • Olo'eyktan Anawm
  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 3049
  • Karma: 142
  • Translate the meaning, not the words!
Re: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 06:14:15 am »
As I understand it, ‹asy› and ‹ìsy› denote prospective aspect, AKA going-to future. E.g:

It's not really a prospective marker, though some uses of the prospective are covered by it.  You cannot use it to say, po tasyaron for all senses of he's going to hunt, only when you have some intention about the situation.  I don't think it would make much sense to use an s-future about a situation over which I had no control, but I can still say, "the Mississippi river is going to flood."

Frommer himself says he didn't use it as often as he could have, so I wouldn't be too alarmed by it not occurring in the film more.  It does show up in some of the game dialog, apparently.
'Awa lì'fya ke tam kawkrr.
A Na'vi Reference Grammar

Offline Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 2190
  • Karma: 23
  • Mowana tsamsiyu aean alu Tsyeyk <3
    • Facebook
Re: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 12:31:35 pm »
I understand these infixes as future-determined as in "I will definitely [verb]."  (Is that somewhat correct?)

-Txonä Rolyu




AvatarMeet was fantastic. Thanks to all who attended :D

Avatar Nation Karyu :D

Na'vi Kintrrä #70° :D

Keyeyluke ke tsun livu kea tìnusume

Oeri Uniltìrantokxìl txe'lanit nì'aw takeiuk nì'ul txa' fralo

Fpìl na Na'vi. Plltxe na Na'vi. Tìran na Na'vi. Kame na Na'vi

Offline wm.annis

  • Olo'eyktan Anawm
  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 3049
  • Karma: 142
  • Translate the meaning, not the words!
Re: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 04:06:46 pm »
I understand these infixes as future-determined as in "I will definitely [verb]."  (Is that somewhat correct?)

Sort of — it misses an important point because you used a first person pronoun in your example.  The determination is always from the viewpoint of the speaker, not the subject of the sentence.  "Tsu'tey will definitely go" is Tsu'tey kasyä, regardless of how Tsu'tey might feel about things.
'Awa lì'fya ke tam kawkrr.
A Na'vi Reference Grammar

Offline Maweyatan

  • Omatikaya
  • ****
  • *
  • Posts: 401
  • us United States
  • Karma: 15
  • OEL YASYOM NgEYÄ KEYIT!
    • Project NgayNume
Re: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 04:17:59 pm »
I had made a prezi for PNgN on this. It was short, but I thought it described the situation well.

http://prezi.com/-tscltk9bfua/navi-project-ngaynume-lesson-from-maweyatan/

Slide 2 & 3.

Yep...sorry for the bump.


Offline `Eylan Ayfalulukanä

  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 4608
  • us United States
  • Karma: 44
  • Palulukan alu Kenya 06/23/1996 - 01/15/2017
    • The Lionlamb website
Re: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 02:58:46 am »
And I see the aynantang atswusayon make their appearance in that prezi  :P

Yawey ngahu!
pamrel si ro [email protected]

Offline Tirea Aean

  • The Blue One
  • Olo'eyktan Anawm
  • Palulukan Makto
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 9586
  • nv Eywa'eveng
  • Karma: 235
  • Can't help helpin'
    • Tirea Aean
Re: Use of <asy> and <ìsy>
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 03:35:08 am »
tad late, but perhaps these bits of Frommerian canon may be of some assistance:

http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php/Canon/2010/March-June#Intentional_Future_Details

and

Quote from: Pawl
Better: Pìsyeng oe ngar. The two future markers have alternate forms with s: -ì(s)y- and -a(s)y- . The s-forms are used optionally to indicate determination to bring something about rather than a simple prediction about the future. (I used them occasionally but probably shd. do so more.)
(from http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php/Canon/2010/March-June#A_Collection )
« Last Edit: May 31, 2011, 03:40:20 am by Tirea Aean »

 

Become LearnNavi's friend on Facebook Follow LearnNavi on Twitter! Watch LearnNavi's videos on YouTube

SMF 2.0.14 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines | XHTML | RSS | WAP2 | Site Rules

LearnNavi is not affiliated with the official Avatar website,
James Cameron, or the Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation.
All trademarks and servicemarks are the properties of their respective owners.
Images in the LearnNavi.org Forums and Gallery may not be used without permission.

LearnNavi Affiliates:
ToS

LearnNavi is the community to learn Na'vi, the Avatar Language
"A place where real friendships are made." -Paul Frommer

AvatarMeet | Learn Na'vi Forum | Learn Na'vi Wiki | Na'viteri

LearnNavi