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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #140 on: November 14, 2011, 09:27:01 pm »
Tewti, ma Wm. Annis
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The entry on reflexive verbs ends all the arguments concerning fìtsap and äp!

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #141 on: November 14, 2011, 09:54:00 pm »
More nuances for the next edition of Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi ta Na'viteri: fìtsap + <äp> and a little more about the <ats> infix... if that's important to you.

And a new conditional type snuck in.  :)

It is important, but I'm still recovering from a travel disaster that involved me wandering around NY City trying to find a hotel that would have me.  Give me a day or two to update the grammar.

Hey! I always wondered whether 'snuck' was a real word! If Wm. Annis uses it, it's gotta be legit, by definition!   ;D ;)

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #142 on: November 15, 2011, 09:07:07 am »
Ma Wm. Annis - ayrel atxantsan! ;D
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #143 on: December 02, 2011, 04:00:04 pm »
There's an interesting thread going on, where the infixing of modal verbs is being addressed. Although most of the various infixes are talked about in your entry on modal verbs (6.8.3.1), nothing is said of affect infixes. If read carefully, it implies the affect infixes should go in the modal verb, but it is not clear to a more casual read. This is something you might consider clarifying in your next revision.

The discussion is here: http://forum.learnnavi.org/prefixes-infixes-and-suffixes/modal-constructions-and-mood-infixes/msg514216/?boardseen#new

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #144 on: January 12, 2012, 10:48:12 am »
As always, thanks so much for this thing.  I was wondering if you'd found your "general conditional sentence" example.  I saw something about that in the comments of Naviteri the other day.  I figure with all the grammar stuff that has come out lately, there might be a new version of 'Horen' in our future ...?  ::)
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #145 on: January 12, 2012, 08:22:58 pm »
I figure with all the grammar stuff that has come out lately, there might be a new version of 'Horen' in our future ...? 

Yep, some time over the weekend. 
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #146 on: January 22, 2012, 08:51:13 pm »
First, I'm still waiting on some grammatical declarations from Karyu Pawl before producing a new PDF.  Hopefully those will come soon.

Second, for those who care, the LaTeX sources for the grammar are now hosted on LN.org's own Subversion service: http://svn.learnnavi.org/svn/horen-lenavi/ (if you're browsing directly to the sources, you may need to prod your browser to use Unicode).  The space for the Polish and the (future) German translations exist, but haven't gotten filled in yet.
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #147 on: January 22, 2012, 09:14:45 pm »
Wonderful.  Looking forward to the updates.
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #148 on: January 22, 2012, 10:10:11 pm »
Some cool new notes came out in the most recent blog post, as I'm sure you're aware. I compiled all new words and notes here: http://forum.learnnavi.org/website-info/the-dictionary-part-ii/msg526340/#msg526340

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #149 on: March 01, 2012, 07:38:58 am »
Aaaarrrgh!  There's a new post out with delicious tidbits of grammar.  Unfortunately, I just got a new computer, and I am still battling with it to get LaTeX back into a state I consider acceptable.  I commit myself to getting a new version out — finally — by Sunday.  You may mock me if I miss that deadline. ;)
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #150 on: March 01, 2012, 03:52:06 pm »
When you are making changes:  "pum" definition in
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6.4.5.1. The genitive can be used predicatively, as in fìtseng lu awngeyä this place is ours. However,
the prop noun pum possession, thing possessed is more often used, kelku ngeyä lu tsawl, oeyä lu hì’i your house is large, mine is small.
needs to changed as in 6.2.4.5
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #151 on: March 04, 2012, 08:52:20 pm »
Finally!  A new version, 1.18.  After much irritating fiddling about to deal with changes to XeTeX, here are the changes most people care about:

* fìtsap with intransitives
* intransitive reflexives
* a bunch of typo fixes from Blue Elf (irayo nìtxan!)
* contrastive demonstratives
* new info on sä-
* correlative comparisons
* clean up reduplication section, with help from nì'ul'ul example
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #152 on: March 05, 2012, 02:36:30 pm »
Irayo, ma Wm. Annis! That's all good, useful stuff!

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #153 on: March 07, 2012, 08:12:57 am »
Irayo, ma Wm. Annis! That's all good, useful stuff!

Yes, it is.  Thank you for all you do, ma Wm. Annis.  It is a labor of love, nothing less.  You are appreciated!  :D

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #154 on: March 07, 2012, 09:05:48 am »
Irayo, ma Wm. Annis! That's all good, useful stuff!

Yes, it is.  Thank you for all you do, ma Wm. Annis.  It is a labor of love, nothing less.  You are appreciated!  :D
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #155 on: March 07, 2012, 11:48:14 am »
Ngaru seiyi irayo nìtxan! This is my go to reference when I run into linguistic oddities these days.

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #156 on: March 08, 2012, 08:29:49 am »
I'm glad people find my high-power grammar nerdery useful.
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #157 on: March 08, 2012, 10:50:29 am »
Even for people like me (who don't know linguistics very well), it seems to be a good step after 'Nutshell'. I've enjoyed reading something with some more detail... :)
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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #158 on: April 02, 2012, 01:51:36 pm »
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3.6.1.4.    Infixes are placed only in one element of a compound verb. For example, yomtìng feed is a compound of yom eat and tìng give. The perfective of this is not *y‹ol›omtìng, but yomt‹ol›ìng. Most compound verbs will have the verb element last, which will take the infixes. A few compounds, however, do add infixes to the first element. These must be learned from the lexicon.

This is a bit misleading, I think. Couldn’t you say if one element of the compount is non-verbal, everything goes in the verb element (pllngay, pänutìng, kawngsar, emza’u…). If they are two verb elements they simply have to be learned.
By now we have examples, where every verb element carries an infix (kanfpìl, tsunslu, kan’ìn etc.)

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Re: Na'vi Reference Grammar
« Reply #159 on: April 02, 2012, 08:06:25 pm »
This is a bit misleading, I think. Couldn’t you say if one element of the compount is non-verbal, everything goes in the verb element (pllngay, pänutìng, kawngsar, emza’u…). If they are two verb elements they simply have to be learned.
By now we have examples, where every verb element carries an infix (kanfpìl, tsunslu, kan’ìn etc.)

That section could definitely be worded better.  It's possible that's been misleading since the October Ultxa, which is a little awkward.

I'm still meditating on how to incorporate the new verb transitivity info, but I hope to have a new version out some time this week.
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