Na'vi Reference Grammar

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Tekre

5.1.1.2. about the prefix nì- says:
"This prefix is productive with adjectives and ordinal numbers, but not other parts of speech."

Shouldn't pronouns also be mentioned as something nì- is productive with? Horen 6.3.3 also says that it may be used with pronouns, and in the source cited there Pawl says indeed it is productive that way.

wm.annis

Quote from: Tan Jala on May 14, 2023, 02:38:05 AMI have a question about 2.3.2 where also was said that monosyllable verbs behave like they are unaccented. And there was vol from v<ol>ll as an example. I just want to be finally sure that it also extends to rr, namely ner from n<er>rr, because all else known verbs with rr are always accented on rr syllable.

I'm not aware of any reason to think rr and ll don't behave identically in this situation. If he'd meant otherwise, Paul could have clarified. But I will add your nrr example for clarity.

wm.annis

Quote from: Tekre on June 14, 2023, 09:56:23 AMShouldn't pronouns also be mentioned as something nì- is productive with? Horen 6.3.3 also says that it may be used with pronouns, and in the source cited there Pawl says indeed it is productive that way.

Irayo! I have updated 5.1.1.2, both to note nì- can be used with pronouns, and to include the reference.

wm.annis

New version, 1.32. Can be found at the usual place, though caching may take a bit to update. It can also be found at 1.32 (grab the PDF).

Changes:

  • fì'u vs. tsa'u nominalizations
  • aylahe short forms
  • more pak examples and clarification
  • genitives of po-derived pronouns
  • - is productive with pronouns
  • tseng compounds
  • PRO-drop section merged with subject dropping section
  • rewrote entire Constituent Order section, now that we have some additional guidance on Na'vi word order

As usual, there were a bunch of minor tweaks: a few more interlinearizations, some more citations, minor style changes, a few new examples for old sections, etc.

Tekre

3.4.3. says: "There are contractions only in the patientive for fmawn and faylì'u, which are fmawnta (<
fmawnit a) and fayluta (< faylì'ut a)."

Might be worth adding tsonta to that list?

Vawmataw

I would say yes, I don't think *tsonla, *tsonra and *tsonria will exist.
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wm.annis

Quote from: Tekre on August 17, 2023, 11:53:29 AMMight be worth adding tsonta to that list?

Srane, irayo.

I've added an explanation of the form, and an example in the syntax section.

wm.annis

The only significant change is the news about hypothetical conditionals, but I have made a new release for that anyway. If you are impatient, you can grab the updated version at the git repo. I expect the LearnNavi.org version will be updated soon.

  • update about tsonta form and examples
  • hypothetical conditionals
  • various spelling and typo fixes that have been brought to my attention — I appreciate the notices about these!

Tirea Aean

Irayo ma wm.annis!

QuoteI expect the LearnNavi.org version will be updated soon.

Indeed :) I have uploaded this latest 1.33 release to the LN files server and updated the /media page on the main site.

https://files.learnnavi.org/docs/horen-lenavi.pdf

(also at https://files.learnnavi.org/docs/horen-lenavi.1.33.pdf)

Toliman