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« on: January 11, 2015, 01:35:13 pm »
This thread was splitted from "transitivity of 'eyng" thread.

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One thing grabbed my attention:
’Awa tìpawmìri ’iveyng oe set; aylari zusawkrr ’ayeyng. (LN)
What is aylari? The topical form of aylaru? ???
« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 05:53:29 am by Tìtstewan »

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2015, 01:39:52 pm »
One thing grabbed my attention:
’Awa tìpawmìri ’iveyng oe set; aylari zusawkrr ’ayeyng. (LN)
What is aylari? The topical form of aylaru? ???

Maybe...
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2015, 02:22:50 pm »
I noticed dict-navi.com gives the following example sentence with transitive usage:

oe new 'iveyng ngeyä tìpawmit - I want to answer your question

I thought that the example sentences there were from official sources ??? Does anyone know where this example comes from?

What is aylari? The topical form of aylaru? ???
Maybe...
Oh, that is interesting :) Pure speculation: if that would be the case, then maybe also aylati or even aylayä exists?
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2015, 02:49:38 pm »
I noticed dict-navi.com gives the following example sentence with transitive usage:

oe new 'iveyng ngeyä tìpawmit - I want to answer your question

I thought that the example sentences there were from official sources ??? Does anyone know where this example comes from?

I think it's just a literal translation from English :) But I'm not sure that it's incorrect. Though likely...

Oh, that is interesting :) Pure speculation: if that would be the case, then maybe also aylati or even aylayä exists?

I'd prefer ayleyä because this is pronoun :) And you forgot agentive aylal ;) But those are guesses only...
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2015, 02:53:00 pm »
I noticed dict-navi.com gives the following example sentence with transitive usage:

oe new 'iveyng ngeyä tìpawmit - I want to answer your question

I thought that the example sentences there were from official sources ??? Does anyone know where this example comes from?
That example is not official, I think. I can't find the source of it.


What is aylari? The topical form of aylaru? ???
Maybe...
Oh, that is interesting :) Pure speculation: if that would be the case, then maybe also aylati or even aylayä exists?
If I were a mod to split this topic right now...

That word comes from *aylaheru, that's contracted to aylaru.
If 'eyng is intransitive and the thing I want to explain goes in the topical case (I see the same pattern line nume, btw), then aylari is indeed the topical version of aylaru. :)

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2015, 03:18:05 pm »
I noticed dict-navi.com gives the following example sentence with transitive usage:

oe new 'iveyng ngeyä tìpawmit - I want to answer your question

I thought that the example sentences there were from official sources ??? Does anyone know where this example comes from?

It’s indeed not official. That must be a remnant from the early days before we started using official sentences for the examples. *sigh* Another thing on the list… :P

Concerning aylari, I’ve always considered that as the topic of a not yet confirmed *aylahe, “the others” or even a shortened or colloquial form of aylapo.
The LEP sent a paradigm to K. Pawl back in Feb of 2011 – no ruling as of yet.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2015, 06:05:36 am »
Concerning aylari, I’ve always considered that as the topic of a not yet confirmed *aylahe, “the others” or even a shortened or colloquial form of aylapo.
The LEP sent a paradigm to K. Pawl back in Feb of 2011 – no ruling as of yet.

Actually, aylahe is confirmed as "others": http://naviteri.org/2014/10/tson-si-fpomron-obligation-and-mental-health/ (look for saylahe)

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2015, 02:29:05 pm »
I noticed dict-navi.com gives the following example sentence with transitive usage:

oe new 'iveyng ngeyä tìpawmit - I want to answer your question

I thought that the example sentences there were from official sources ??? Does anyone know where this example comes from?

I think it's just a literal translation from English :) But I'm not sure that it's incorrect. Though likely...

Oh, that is interesting :) Pure speculation: if that would be the case, then maybe also aylati or even aylayä exists?

I'd prefer ayleyä because this is pronoun :) And you forgot agentive aylal ;) But those are guesses only...
Not so fast, ma eylan!  aylaru is really shortened from *aylaheru, but do not take it as base for other versions with case ending. Note, that lahe is adjective, so adding ay- + case ending can't be nothing more than special exception (until Paul gives us more guidelines about it)
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2015, 02:40:40 pm »
Yeah, repeating is the mother of learning stuff. :D ;D
As I said, aylaru = short form of *aylaheru, and there is no reason why there shouldn't be also a topical form of aylaheri - aylari. :) I also think, there could be just aylahe = the others which has been confirmed - see LRC's link1 (not to be confused with lapo - other one)




1Why that word is not in the dictionary?
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2015, 03:25:15 pm »
Note, that lahe is adjective, so adding ay- + case ending can't be nothing more than special exception (until Paul gives us more guidelines about it)

But aylari is from an official example. I don't see any problems with it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2015, 05:46:43 am »
Note, that lahe is adjective, so adding ay- + case ending can't be nothing more than special exception (until Paul gives us more guidelines about it)

But aylari is from an official example. I don't see any problems with it.
I still prefer to have it confirmed because of lahe word class.
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Re: Aylari
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2015, 05:51:42 am »
Mllte hu Blue Elf.


Nìvingkap, I spitted into this thread. :)

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