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Transitivity of 'eyng
« on: January 11, 2015, 12:35:20 pm »
I just noticed that we still don't know transitivity of a verb 'eyng. It's marked just as v. in the dictionary. So which would be correct:

  'Iveyng oeru tìpawmit.

or

  Tìpawmìri 'iveyng oer.

 :-\ Or maybe there was official examples?
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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2015, 12:45:14 pm »
The transitivity of 'eyng is still unknown, unfortunately.
This is what I know from the LEP:
Quote from: Tìtstewan on November 07, 2013, 02:16:49 am
Verbs with unknown transitivity:

red - wasn't sent

'eyng - answer, respond
latsi - keep up with someone
oeyktìng - explain (why)
rol - sing
salew - proceed, go
spä - jump
tuvon - lean
tsä' - squirt
virä - spread, proliferate
Many months back, LEP sent some examples with verbs that have unknown transitivity. These words (in red) above havn't been sent.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2015, 12:53:41 pm by Tìtstewan »

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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2015, 12:51:18 pm »
Yeah, I remember. But I thought that we already have an answer :)
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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2015, 12:52:51 pm »
Unfortunately, we don't have. :(

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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2015, 12:55:42 pm »
Well. So probably we may close this topic..
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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2015, 12:57:05 pm »
Not necessary. Leave it open just for the case of future discussion. ;)

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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2015, 01:30:46 pm »
I just noticed that we still don't know transitivity of a verb 'eyng. It's marked just as v. in the dictionary. So which would be correct:

  'Iveyng oeru tìpawmit.

or

  Tìpawmìri 'iveyng oer.

 :-\ Or maybe there was official examples?

From what I gathered for the Annotated Dictionary
These are all the official examples we have from Frommer with the verb ’eyng:

’Awa tìpawmìri ’iveyng oe set; aylari zusawkrr ’ayeyng. (LN)

Pxiset ke lu oeru krr fte tì'eyngit tivìng, slä fmayi oe ’iveyng ye’rìn. (LN)

From their making use of the topic I strongly suspect that it is intransitive… But no official ruling yet.

Although there is this example that is a bit dodgy depending on the translation:

Nìawnomum tolel oel ta ayhapxìtu lì’fyaolo’ä pxaya sìpawmit atxantsan a vay set ke ’oleyng. (Naviteri)

Personally, I wouldn’t use it transitively ;) but then again, I always want to go on the safe side :P

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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2015, 01:34:19 pm »
Excellent! I think 'Awa tìpawmìri 'iveyng oe set means that my second example is correct (Tìpawmìri 'iveyng oer). So it would be safe to use 'eyng in this way. Irayo ;)
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Re: Transitivity of 'eyng
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2015, 05:59:37 am »
I have splitter the discussion about aylari. Here you go http://forum.learnnavi.org/intermediate/aylari/


And to keep the context of this discussion:

I knew Plumps will find something useful. :D
Nice find!

Wllìm:
I noticed dict-navi.com gives the following example sentence with transitive usage:

oe new 'iveyng ngeyä tìpawmit - I want to answer your question

I thought that the example sentences there were from official sources ??? Does anyone know where this example comes from?

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