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the evidential??
« on: February 10, 2010, 01:57:33 am »
Does anyone else hear Mo'at say lehú hasey when she tries to transfer Grace and then Jake, just after Neytiri says ma sa'nok ? I'm wondering if that <eh> could be the evidential infix.

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 05:39:10 am »
Yes, I do. And yes, it might! :)

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 10:45:01 am »
hmmm, except perhaps it's fì'u hasey

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 03:59:18 pm »
I confirm that she seems to say "lehu hasey" not "fi'u hasey"  :)
That <eh> could be an evidential (as said by Roger) or an injunctive infix.

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 04:06:32 pm »
hmmm, except perhaps it's fì'u hasey

It ought to be fìkem shouldn't it?

Because of that, I'm inclined to think that it is lehu hasey but that the <eh> is not the evidential but is something else that we don't know or a pronunciation error/us all mishearing it and then being prepared to hear <eh>.
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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 04:28:01 pm »
hmmm, except perhaps it's fì'u hasey

It ought to be fìkem shouldn't it?

Because of that, I'm inclined to think that it is lehu hasey but that the <eh> is not the evidential but is something else that we don't know or a pronunciation error/us all mishearing it and then being prepared to hear <eh>.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I remember it not sounding like 'fì'u'. Anyway, it's definitely interesting.

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 06:20:26 pm »
For Jake, it sounds like luhu asey in the Spanish dub and lu əsey in the French dub.

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 06:42:36 pm »
it does kinda sound like lehu and it would make sense, as shes observing the event


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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 08:00:43 pm »
it does kinda sound like lehu and it would make sense, as shes observing the event

In the Language Log article the only thing Frommer says about the evidential(s) is, "second-position infixes indicate speaker attitude—positive orientation, negative orientation, or uncertainty/indirect knowledge."  A direct evidential may not exist.
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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 04:05:45 am »
it does kinda sound like lehu and it would make sense, as shes observing the event

In the Language Log article the only thing Frommer says about the evidential(s) is, "second-position infixes indicate speaker attitude—positive orientation, negative orientation, or uncertainty/indirect knowledge."  A direct evidential may not exist.

I was assuming an inferential: "It is (it appears) finished." Mo'at won't know until she examines Grace/Jake whether her attempt has worked. And it the case of Grace, it hasn't.

I would guess that if s.o. had put bread in the oven, and you come in and it smells done, you might be able to say lehu hasey for that too.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2010, 04:08:32 am by roger »

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 03:01:11 am »

I asked him. He said it's just « Lu hasey » (perhaps slightly mispronounced). I heard « lehu hasey » the last time I saw the film too (Wednesday). But, alas, « -eh- » for "inferential" as such does not exist.

The question of the "evidential" for "uncertainty/indirect knowledge" is still an open question. I didn't probe. We'd need it in writing, etc. I suggest that either roger or wm.annis ask him.

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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2010, 02:33:21 pm »
Doesn't seem like an open question anymore. :D
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Re: the evidential??
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 06:51:23 pm »
Yes, following up, the EVID is <ats>. Thread can be closed.

 

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