the evidential??

Started by roger, February 10, 2010, 01:57:33 AM

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roger

Does anyone else hear Mo'at say lehú hasey when she tries to transfer Grace and then Jake, just after Neytiri says ma sa'nok ? I'm wondering if that <eh> could be the evidential infix.

Lance R. Casey

Yes, I do. And yes, it might! :)

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Ftiafpi

hmmm, except perhaps it's fì'u hasey

ikngopyu

I confirm that she seems to say "lehu hasey" not "fi'u hasey"  :)
That <eh> could be an evidential (as said by Roger) or an injunctive infix.

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Quote from: Ftiafpi on February 10, 2010, 10:45:01 AM
hmmm, except perhaps it's fì'u hasey

It ought to be fìkem shouldn't it?

Because of that, I'm inclined to think that it is lehu hasey but that the <eh> is not the evidential but is something else that we don't know or a pronunciation error/us all mishearing it and then being prepared to hear <eh>.
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Quote from: tìkawngä mungeyu on February 10, 2010, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: Ftiafpi on February 10, 2010, 10:45:01 AM
hmmm, except perhaps it's fì'u hasey

It ought to be fìkem shouldn't it?

Because of that, I'm inclined to think that it is lehu hasey but that the <eh> is not the evidential but is something else that we don't know or a pronunciation error/us all mishearing it and then being prepared to hear <eh>.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I remember it not sounding like 'fì'u'. Anyway, it's definitely interesting.

roger

For Jake, it sounds like luhu asey in the Spanish dub and lu əsey in the French dub.

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it does kinda sound like lehu and it would make sense, as shes observing the event


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wm.annis

Quote from: Tseyk Tìriuä on February 12, 2010, 06:42:36 PMit does kinda sound like lehu and it would make sense, as shes observing the event

In the Language Log article the only thing Frommer says about the evidential(s) is, "second-position infixes indicate speaker attitude—positive orientation, negative orientation, or uncertainty/indirect knowledge."  A direct evidential may not exist.

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Quote from: wm.annis on February 12, 2010, 08:00:43 PM
Quote from: Tseyk Tìriuä on February 12, 2010, 06:42:36 PMit does kinda sound like lehu and it would make sense, as shes observing the event

In the Language Log article the only thing Frommer says about the evidential(s) is, "second-position infixes indicate speaker attitude—positive orientation, negative orientation, or uncertainty/indirect knowledge."  A direct evidential may not exist.

I was assuming an inferential: "It is (it appears) finished." Mo'at won't know until she examines Grace/Jake whether her attempt has worked. And it the case of Grace, it hasn't.

I would guess that if s.o. had put bread in the oven, and you come in and it smells done, you might be able to say lehu hasey for that too.

Prrton


I asked him. He said it's just « Lu hasey » (perhaps slightly mispronounced). I heard « lehu hasey » the last time I saw the film too (Wednesday). But, alas, « -eh- » for "inferential" as such does not exist.

The question of the "evidential" for "uncertainty/indirect knowledge" is still an open question. I didn't probe. We'd need it in writing, etc. I suggest that either roger or wm.annis ask him.

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Yes, following up, the EVID is <ats>. Thread can be closed.