Wiki Dictionary

[R One]

Some news on Naviteri requiring changes in dictionary:

yora'tu (n., yo.RA'.tu) 'winner'
snaytu (n., SNAY.tu) 'loser'
new meaning added to way: song, poem
According this, way si probably means also "recite", but not confirmed
way a plltxe 'spoken poem'
way a rol 'song'
wayä aylì'u  words of a poem or the lyrics of a song
ultxatu 'meeting participant'

It seems to me that you didn't mention pxorpam :

"Note that snaytu is doubly exceptional, since snaytx 'lose' ends in a pxorpam."

How would you translate it ? "sound of explosion" ? Even in french, I doubt it : according to the dictionnary, an explosion is already a sound...

/R One

[Tirea Aean]

pxorpam means "ejective (consonant)" i.e.

Txetx, pxepx sì kxekx lu pxeporpam a run fkol lì'fyamì lena'vi
tx, px, and kx are the three ejectives found in the na'vi language

it is already in the current dictionary main block for a longtime now. (since October 2010)

[R One]

it is already in the current dictionary main block for a longtime now. (since October 2010)

Oops, sorry about that. I was referring to the Wiki dictionary, in which I coudn't find it.

/R One

[Carborundum]

Oops, sorry about that. I was referring to the Wiki dictionary, in which I coudn't find it.

It's there now! Thanks for pointing it out.

[Tirea Aean]

I always forget that the wiki dictionary even exists. O.o

[Kamean]

I always forget that the wiki dictionary even exists. O.o

I too.

[Eltu Lefngap Makto]

And I've started a semantic (Web 3.0) wiki dictionary:

http://navi.referata.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Word

[Tirea Aean]

And I've started a semantic (Web 3.0) wiki dictionary:

http://navi.referata.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Word

504.

[Toruk Makto]

I get server not found.

[wm.annis]

I got out of the habit of automatically updating the wiki every time a new post appeared on Naviteri.  I keep hoping for The Great Merge of the database-driven dictionary (which is OK, but deficient in some ways) and the wiki (with nice examples, but otherwise a PITA and monolingual).

[Eltu Lefngap Makto]

** Website is back up and running **

Ma wm.a, I would gladly import all the other languages.  Semantic Mediawiki (the software) is very multi-lingual. (http://semantic-mediawiki.org/).

[Tirea Aean]

** Website is back up and running **

Ma wm.a, I would gladly import all the other languages.  Semantic Mediawiki (the software) is very multi-lingual. (http://semantic-mediawiki.org/).

I really like what you got goin on there. One random question: why's it yellow? xD

what he means is all the content of all of the pages is in English, not just the interface. Natives of every language would have to update their copy of the wiki. (which i assume would be easier with SM)

Imo it just seems like a general PITA to have so many dictionaries, and like wm.annis, I would like to see ONE multilingual dictionary database that powers everything such that updating it would automaticallu update everything else. only thing is, one would have to add examples and notes to the wiki entries.

Random Q: how easy/massively difficult would it be to install Semantic Mediawiki and move the content there and then start using that instead? is there anything better about the current wiki over semantic or is it the "if it aint broke dont fix it" deal? Just curious. (not against keeping it as is, and also not against migration.)

Also, @admins/other mods: why are the dictionary threads in /intermediate and not /website-info ?

[Eltu Lefngap Makto]

I really like what you got goin on there. One random question: why's it yellow? xD

Because it's a free (and apparently cheap with lots of down time) wiki server! 

what he means is all the content of all of the pages is in English, not just the interface. Natives of every language would have to update their copy of the wiki. (which i assume would be easier with SM)

How does that work now with the dictionary?  e.g. Who updates the Na'vi-Hungarian dictionary at present?

Also, how can I get all that data from the other language dictionaries right now (in ANYTHING other than PDF format!) so I can start importing it?

Imo it just seems like a general PITA to have so many dictionaries, and like wm.annis, I would like to see ONE multilingual dictionary database that powers everything such that updating it would automaticallu update everything else. only thing is, one would have to add examples and notes to the wiki entries.

I would be willing to do that.

Random Q: how easy/massively difficult would it be to install Semantic Mediawiki and move the content there and then start using that instead? is there anything better about the current wiki over semantic or is it the "if it aint broke dont fix it" deal? Just curious. (not against keeping it as is, and also not against migration.)

Installing SMW is easy.  Migrating all the data I have so far is a simple as getting a big XML output from
http://navi.referata.com/wiki/Special:Export
and importing it at
http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php/Special:Import

FYI, I am pro-migration and willing to do any of the leg work.  I have hit my stride now in grad school! 

[Tirea Aean]

I really like what you got goin on there. One random question: why's it yellow? xD

Because it's a free (and apparently cheap with lots of down time) wiki server! 

oh.

what he means is all the content of all of the pages is in English, not just the interface. Natives of every language would have to update their copy of the wiki. (which i assume would be easier with SM)

How does that work now with the dictionary?  e.g. Who updates the Na'vi-Hungarian dictionary at present?

There is a edit-dict-meta page(works like a submission form, but it is actually built on a forum interface) where Toruk Makto enters new data / makes edits. There is a button which will generate a .sql and a .pdf. then the translator for each language gets a watered-down(fully visible, half editable) form where all they can do is enter the translation in their language. they hit the generate button and get a .pdf in their language.

Also, how can I get all that data from the other language dictionaries right now (in ANYTHING other than PDF format!) so I can start importing it?

The Eana Eltu .sql file can be imported into mySQL (how I use it to make .txt files and update vrrtep) How in the world to make SMW work with a mySQL database, I have no idea.

[Eltu Lefngap Makto]

How in the world to make SMW work with a mySQL database, I have no idea.

That's easy!  I'm off to do it! 

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

Very interesting dictionary. Where did you get the source data? I see words like 'dictionary' and 'genitive' popping up among the Na'vi words. Definitely not part of the language  

And how would all of this affect the current non-wiki dictionary? At least some of us prefer that over the wiki.

[Tirea Aean]

Have no fear, the regular dictionary (i.e. the regularly-updating PDF) shall continue in the way that it always was.

A note about that .SQL file, ma ELM, is that it doesn't contain (some) Proper Nouns(i.e. Eywa) nor does it contain non-frommerians, nor numbers nor any inflections (except for "tsa" for some reason)

It only contains main block words.

[Eltu Lefngap Makto]

Very interesting dictionary. Where did you get the source data?

I entered almost all of it by hand!  I had the syllables and other predictable data be generated by computer.  I even have the monstrous bit of programming worked out where it can generate the infixed version of verbs and the declined version of nouns.

I see words like 'dictionary' and 'genitive' popping up among the Na'vi words. Definitely not part of the language 

  Really?     I did note when compound words are derived from the "genitive" or the "dative" form of other words, but these terms aren't in the category "word" (If you see any in http://navi.referata.com/wiki/Category:Word let me know and I'll fix the error!)

[Tirea Aean]

Very interesting dictionary. Where did you get the source data?

I entered almost all of it by hand!  I had the syllables and other predictable data be generated by computer.  I even have the monstrous bit of programming worked out where it can generate the infixed version of verbs and the declined version of nouns.

RUTXE i beg of you let me see the source code for this!!

[Eltu Lefngap Makto]

RUTXE i beg of you let me see the source code for this!!

It's all there in plain site:
http://navi.referata.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Return_All_But_the_Last_Vowel&action=edit
http://navi.referata.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Lenite&action=edit
http://navi.referata.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Noun&action=edit
http://navi.referata.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Verb&action=edit
etc., etc.
http://navi.referata.com/wiki/Special:Templates