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Re: "Do you have something for me?" (Double dative?)
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2012, 01:54:04 pm »
well yeah but thats because Many German prepositions cause noun case change, typically to dative or accusative. in na'vi, the opposite is true: prepositions cause the noun to have No case.

ngaru tìyawr nìlun, ma ’eylan

But that makes it sometimes a bit difficult for some German speakers to understand the case endings in Na’vi… e.g. ayeylanur oeyä etc. In German this is an meine Freunde (which is accusative ;) )

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Re: "Do you have something for me?" (Double dative?)
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2012, 02:39:52 pm »
Language is not bound by formal logic. :)  I can easily name you languages which not only allow double-datives (or double-accusatives), but require them in certain constructions.  My college Latin teacher called one "the dirty double dative."
Unless Pawl says it is forbidden, I would avoid saying it's not possible, especially given how many things the dative is used for in Na'vi.
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But those identically case marked constituents must be bound by some other rules - word order, combination with another part of the sentence etc... I hardly believe that truly independent, identically marked (thus interchangeable) constituents, can be used in meaningful sentence.
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What rule works in languanges:
- what is not prohibited (by known rules), it is allowed
or
- if something is not allowed (not defined by known rules), it is prohibited? ;D
I tend to agree with Tanri - until we get rules from Paul
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Re: "Do you have something for me?" (Double dative?)
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2012, 03:21:07 pm »
it's always safer, imho to assume it's not allowed until proven that it is. (yet nume = vtr. is something that has been practiced SO often, i thought for SURE it was until I looked. O_O)

of course I won't shoot someone down on reaching out on faith if something has not been defined by a rule. I will just say, be careful what you learn, because if it turns out differently than you thought, you have some UNlearning and RElearning to do ;D

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Re: "Do you have something for me?" (Double dative?)
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2012, 06:36:24 pm »
and so it stands: hunch of OP is correct.

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