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Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« on: January 14, 2012, 06:57:30 am »
As far as I know, the only canon places where the topical (-ri,-ìri) is used is as a non-productive/deprecated replacement for -yä or -ru, like in "Ftxivozäri aylrrtok ngaru" (which is also dubious since <iv> doesn't give the gerund, tì-<us> does). Why doesn't anybody use it for the TOPICAL? Some sentences using -ru IMO should better use -ri, such as "Ngaru lu fpom srake?". "Peace is is-ing you, no?" makes less sense than "Ngari lu fpom srake" "As for you, does peace exist?". Using -ri for the genitive is also strange, since if you change "Mivakto ko fa ayngeyä ayikran" to "Mivakto ko fa ayngari ayikran" it changes to the "interrupted" sentence "Go ride on, about everybody, ikrans".

??? What are your thoughts?
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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 07:05:43 am »
Ftxivozäri aylrrtok ngaru - where's it from? It's obvious that ftxozä isn't a verb.

Ngaru lu fpom srake? - This should be Do you have well-being? Consider the answer that maybe Oeru lu fpom, the expression I have .. Lu oeru ... is very clear here.

Mivakto ko fa ayngari ayikran - because ayikran aren't part of aynga's body.. or this should be replaced by a better explanation, but I'm pretty sure there's somewhere said when it's came to something called inalienable possession, topic will replace genitive, as in oeri ontu my nose, it's yours for your whole life.
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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 09:46:19 am »
That, and I covered this on YouTube.

EDIT: Ma Annis, I was looking for that. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 03:50:08 pm »
Give this a read: http://forum.learnnavi.org/syntax-grammar/navi-linguistics-practicum-topicals-(i)/

I'm having a problem, when you click on the link you are asked for a user name and password which looks you out of the forum :o

Is it just me or do I need a password ???



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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 03:52:11 pm »
Interesting, for me too. :-\
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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 03:53:36 pm »
Give this a read: http://forum.learnnavi.org/syntax-grammar/navi-linguistics-practicum-topicals-(i)/

I'm having a problem, when you click on the link you are asked for a user name and password which looks you out of the forum :o

Is it just me or do I need a password ???




its a bug. im on my phone now, it tells me to log into Le'eylan's blogg ???

anyway, the link refers to:

http://forum.learnnavi.org/syntax-grammar/navi-linguistics-practicum-topicals-(i)/msg350941/#msg350941

EDIT: WHAT IS THIS HAX??? O.O

1. go to http://forum.learnnavi.org/syntax-grammar
2. click onto the sticky thread there  called Na'vi Linguistics Practicum Topicals or whatever its called.
3. gain insight from wm.annis the great
« Last Edit: January 15, 2012, 03:57:43 pm by Tirea Aean »

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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 03:57:11 pm »
Irayo, tslolam. :)
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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 04:36:35 pm »
Nop! I'm still asked for a password and locked out of the forum, even if I try the link or go through the forum!  >:( :o

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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 04:39:22 pm »
Nop! I'm still asked for a password and locked out of the forum, even if I try the link or go through the forum!  >:( :o

bug confirmed. reported to admins. also, i am able to go around it on my tab by rapidly and repeatedly tapping cancel.

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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 04:47:09 pm »
Yeh!!! it works :) :)  :) ;D

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Re: Where on Pandora did the topical go?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 06:51:53 pm »
The images Le'eylan linked to are now password protected.  I broke the links (messed up domain URL in an obvious way, to be edited back into shape at some future point).  This removes the password demands.
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