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Offline juiicy

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Hello! New here!
« on: October 01, 2013, 04:57:52 pm »
Hey everyone! I found this site by accident and found it to be very interesting! I would like to try learning Na'vi and this site looks like a really good place to start. Oh I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a translation? I was wondering if anyone could tell me what ash tree meadow or ash/tree/meadow OR simply Ashley would be in Na'vi? I tried to figure this out myself but couldn't seem to. I thought it would be fun to start out learning Na'vi by knowing what my name would translate into! Thanks.

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 05:06:05 pm »
Kaltxì ulte zola'u nìprrte' fìtseng, ma juiicy! :D

I was wondering if anyone could tell me what ash tree meadow or ash/tree/meadow OR simply Ashley would be in Na'vi?
txepìva = ash
tree = utral
meadow = txayo lezeswa <- ...I think

About "Ashley" it depends if you want to translate the meaning of this name or if you want to na'vify your name. :)
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 05:47:46 pm by Tìtstewan »

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 05:09:54 pm »
Kaltxì ulte zola'u nìprrte' fìtseng, ma juiicy! :D

I was wondering if anyone could tell me what ash tree meadow or ash/tree/meadow OR simply Ashley would be in Na'vi?
txepìva = ash
tree = utral
meadow = tei lezeswa <- ...I think

About "Ashley" it depends if you want to translate the meaning of this name or if you want to na'vify your name. :)


Thanks for the welcome!  :) I suppose I would like to na'vify my name.

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 05:25:24 pm »
Well, because I have no idea what's the "usual" English pronunciation of "Ashley" (dialects), I will write here some possibilities.
Äsley
Asley
Aslei
Äslei

(Na'vi hasn't a "sh"-like sound)
...I'm curious, what other member will say about my thought. :)

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^useful recources for beginners. :)

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 05:31:53 pm »
Well, because I have no idea what's the "usual" English pronunciation of "Ashley" (dialects), I will write here some possibilities.
Äsley
Asley
Aslei
Äslei

(Na'vi hasn't a "sh"-like sound)
...I'm curious, what other member will say about my thought. :)

By the way:
[For Beginners] Links to useful learning materials - II
^useful recources for beginners. :)


Thanks so much for that link. I am looking over it now. Ashley would be pronouced  Ash-lee. Thanks again for your help! Its so very welcoming here!

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 05:32:14 pm »
Zola'u nìprrte'! :)

Tìtstewan said all things important, I guess ;)

Just wanted to add, that Äsli ("as-lee") could also be an option, depends on your name is pronounced.

Edit: Ninja'd by you :D So I'd say Äsli, but I could be wrong.

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 05:34:19 pm »
Kaltxì, ma juiicy!

meadow = tei txayo lezeswa (means "field grassy")

Na'vi is primarily a "spoken" language.  So adjusting your name to Na'vi is a little challenging as the Na'vi do not have a "sh" sound.  (And the letter "c" does not exist.)  Although "ts" as in tsunami does...

Thus something close, might be [ Äs'ley ] pronounced "as" like cat, a momentary pause, lay (as in sleigh) > as-(momentary pause)-ley?
Or perhaps [ Äs'haley ] which draws out to be:  as-(momentary pause)-ha-lay?

It depends if you say, "ash-ley" or "ash-sha-ley" in how you say it...

Tìtstewan is correct, dialect pronunciations/variations would definitely affect your spelling.

And Eana Unil I think is closest.  Maybe add a glottal stop in the middle for the ash-lee momentary pause?  > Äs'li ?
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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 05:39:00 pm »
A bit OT.
meadow = tei txayo lezeswa (means "field grassy")
Interesting that you use txayo. This is, of course also correct, but I still wondering, why tei is in dict-Na'vi.com with the same meaning?
Edit:
I know why...

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 05:42:24 pm »
Interesting that you use txayo. This is, of course also correct, but I still wondering, why tei is in dict-Na'vi.com with the same meaning?

Entry error in dict-Na'vi? 

(Edit/Add:  My old March 2013 and the current dictionary do not have tei.  It must be a glitch.)

(There are very few root "ei" words in Na'vi.  leioae, fpeio, awaiei and the added <ei> verb infix of course.  And leioae has the syllables of le-i-o-a-e (lei is not together).)

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Yes, ma juiicy.  Tìtstewan's link is a good place to start.  As you explore this forum, you will find a beginner's area with all sorts of helpful threads as you learn the language.  Plus there are a number of fun workbooks you can download from LN (free) to learn words.  Plus there is the Memrise (a vocabulary learning site) that has Na'vi courses (word memorization).

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 05:45:04 pm »
Interesting that you use txayo. This is, of course also correct, but I still wondering, why tei is in dict-Na'vi.com with the same meaning?

Entry error in dict-Na'vi?
Reported  ;)

Edit:
In the dict-na'vi, someone have mixed up with Kaoliä Tei wich is marked as invalid word.
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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 01:03:34 pm »
Kaltxì! Zola'u nìprrte'! :D
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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2013, 03:57:09 pm »
I would say that Äsli would be the best way to say Ashley ['æʃ.li] in Na'vi. Basically, just turn sh into s.

Late to the party, but Hi! Great to see you here. :) I'm glad you've found us, and you've certainly come to the right place to learn the Na'vi language.

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2013, 05:01:36 pm »
Kaltxì! Zola'u nìprrteʼ!

We have a place here in Nevada called 'Ash Meadows', right outside of Death Valley National Park. It is a wildlife viewing area. Although I think the 'ash' here refers to an act of volcanism, it could also refer to ash trees. (I've never stopped there, only passed through on my way to/from Death Valley.) In the interest of reasonable brevity, I would be inclined to choose Txepìva Txayo or possibly Txayo Txepìva as a name. Of course, the choice is left up to you, and you can use more words in your name if you want.

I also agree with everyone else here that Äsli is the most reasonable (and free of possible conflicts with infixes/suffixes) translation of your name. I also kind of like Taronyu Leleioae's idea of putting a glottal stop in the middle of your name. The syllable break in the middle of the way this name is typically pronounced (and I work with an Ashley) is almost strong enough to be a glottal stop, and it certainly makes the name a little more 'alien'. However, the glottal stop in Taronyu Leleioae's proposals forms an illegal consonant cluster, so you would use Äsʼeli. keep the pronunciation of the /e/ short and it kind of makes up for the lack of an /sh/ sound.

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2013, 05:33:42 pm »
However, the glottal stop in Taronyu Leleioae's proposals forms an illegal consonant cluster, so you would use Äsʼeli. keep the pronunciation of the /e/ short and it kind of makes up for the lack of an /sh/ sound.
Ugh.   Overlooked that s + ' can't be together being the end of a syllable as a cluster, even though they can be together otherwise...  
Makes a note for another NiaN update correction...  I had been thinking that Äs' was ok.   :-[


Edit:
(ma Juiicy, don't let this technical discussion worry you.  Knowledge of this is for word creation proposals. 
Fundamentals are most important (sentence structure, how to use and modify verbs, adjectives/adverbs, etc...)
We just want to help and be sure your Na'vi-fied name is as close as we can plausibly make it...  :)
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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 05:39:08 pm »
Txantsan! you are working on updating NiAN! That is long overdue!

In general, consonant clusters of any kind cannot happen after the vowel in a syllable.

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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2013, 07:30:35 pm »
Txantsan! you are working on updating NiAN! That is long overdue!

In general, consonant clusters of any kind cannot happen after the vowel in a syllable.

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so you would use Äsʼeli. keep the pronunciation of the /e/ short and it kind of makes up for the lack of an /sh/ sound.

You also can't end a syllable with s. And you also can't end a syllable with a consonant cluster". And *s' is an illegal cluster.

The only legal clusters are:

f, s, ts + {p, t, k, px, tx, kx, m, n, ng, r, l, w, y} i.e.

fp, ft, fk, fpx, ftx, fkx, fm, fn, fng, fr, fl, fw, fy
sp, st, sk, spx, stx, skx, sm, sn, sng, sr, sl, sw, sy
tsp, tst, tsk, tspx, tstx, tskx, tsm, tsn, tsng, tsr, tsl, tsw, tsy


And they may only start a syllable/word. :)

EDIT: Therefore, Äsli is broken down as: Ä . sli and is the best phonetic fit I can think of for Ashley ;)
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Re: Hello! New here!
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 07:33:55 pm »
Just by the way, here is an attached file with all legal syllables. ;)

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