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Art related Vocab
« on: February 01, 2010, 10:03:00 am »
Been in communication with Pawl myself, I figured I'd add these to this area.

Quote from: Pawl
Law lu oeru fwa nga mì reltseo nolume nìtxan!

[fwa = fì'u a
rel = image, picture
reltseo = visual art
law = clear]

Quote from: Pawl
Ma Pìraysì,

Tewti!!!

Rel oeyä na uniltìranyu lor lu nìngay! Reltseotu atxantsan lu nga!

[reltseotu = artist
txantsan = excellent]

New Vocab:

Fwa = That Which
Rel = Image, Picture
Reltseo = Visual Art
Reltseotu = Artist

What I find interesting is the use of -tu instead of -yu on reltseotu. My assumption here is that if -yu is "verb-er" than -tu is "verb-ist"  I'll be asking him about that and will hopefully have some clarification.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2010, 02:36:48 pm by Skxawng »


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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 11:11:14 am »
New Vocab:[/u]
Fwa = That Which
Rel = Image, Picture
Reltseo = Visual Art
Reltesotu = Artist

What I find interesting is the use of -tu instead of -yu on reltseotu. My assumption here is that if -yu is "verb-er" than -tu is "verb-ist"  I'll be asking him about that and will hopefully have some clarification.

Got a typo there :)

Also - wouldn't "Reltseo" be a noun, in which case -tu might be used on nouns rather than verbs.  However, I think your deduction is more correct, since "tu" seems to be related to people, meaning the "-ist" analogy is probably more likely.
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 11:20:33 am »
spe'e is a verb and there we have the form spe'etu
Maybe it can be used for both verb and noun

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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 12:50:44 pm »
Yeah, I'm not sure really what the difference is between -yu and -tu, other than -er and -ist in English, which seems to be the best analogy so far.

With your spe'etu example, however, the analogy breaks down.  Spe'etu isn't a "capturist" it's a captive, someone who has been captured.

It makes more sense with nouns, since in English that seems to be when the "-ist" suffix is applied (motorist, artist, pianist, violinist).  In English one could be an art-ist (noun-ist) and a paint-er (verb-er [probably a bad example, since paint is also a noun xD]).

Perhaps when "-tu" is added to a verb, it refers to the person/people commonly linked to such a verb, meaning it would be a somewhat rare occurance, where instead of meaning "One who <verbs>" it means "One who is <verb>ed."  Maybe with a word like tspang (to kill) you have tspangyu (killer) and perhaps tspangtu (homicide victim/kill) i.e.: "Hey, he was my kill!" | "Nang poan oeyä tspangtu lìmu!"

Not sure on this... but that's my 2¢.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2010, 12:52:17 pm by Alìm Tsamsiyu »
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 01:09:59 pm »
It makes more sense with nouns, since in English that seems to be when the "-ist" suffix is applied (motorist, artist, pianist, violinist).  In English one could be an art-ist (noun-ist) and a paint-er (verb-er [probably a bad example, since paint is also a noun xD]).
Pretty sure there's actually no real rule for the choice of -er and -ist in English, just trends. You could spend all day listing examples... but I'll give two of my favourites. Builder - nice... verb+er = sorted! Roofer - noun+er awwww crap!!! ;)

However, that doesn't mean you not right about Na'vi.

Edit: Ok, I remember someone once saying that -ist came from Greek and so the choice was perhaps (a long time ago) based upon where the word in question originated from. In modern English, with "recently" created terms, I suspect this theory is now quite worthless in application. :)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2010, 01:20:24 pm by Eight »

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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 01:25:07 pm »
Ehhh - Roofer is a little bit of a stretch, "roof" can be used as a verb, a definition attested in many dictionaries as "to cover a building with a roof."

i.e.: "We're going to re-roof our house." "We chose to roof our house with metal roofing" (Heh, multiple uses!)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2010, 01:29:02 pm by Alìm Tsamsiyu »
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 01:35:49 pm »
Ehhh - Roofer is a little bit of a stretch, "roof" can be used as a verb, a definition attested in many dictionaries as "to cover a building with a roof."
True... but it's from Old English hrof - a noun.

As to what came first, roofer or to roof, I have no idea. :D

I suspect -ist is more regular in it's application since all the big "ists" tend to be medical/science terms which were taken from Greek nouns anyway.

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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2010, 01:37:41 pm »
We chose to roof our house with metal roofing" (Heh, multiple uses!)
How about

"Our roofer chose to roof his house with metal roofing".

Roof + 1. :D

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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 01:45:28 pm »
Our dog went "roof" when the roofer tried to roof our house with metal roofing so we slipped him a rufie.
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 01:48:20 pm »
Our dog went "roof" when the roofer tried to roof our house with metal roofing so we slipped him a rufie.
...

Surely that's unbeatable!?!

Er... I think we're getting well off-topic here mind. :D

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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 01:51:13 pm »
We're just being lelì'utseo (Poetic - deriving lì'utseo as word-art/poetry).
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 01:51:24 pm »
 ???

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Ma Pawl

I guess, you mean Dr. Frommer. But what about the "Ma"?
Since you don't speak to him directly here, the vocative doesn't make sense, does it?

Besides that: Thank you for the words!

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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 01:52:30 pm »
We don't call him skxawng because he's clever with the language....

 ;D
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 02:02:53 pm »
Actually Alim, I'm going to somewhat change my mind on all this -er stuff... since just about every use of -er to refer to someone (who conducts or is interested in) that I can think of has it's root in a word attested in modernish English as both a noun and a verb (or in some cases just a verb).

It's just not a helpful language here - we seem to create verb forms for everything. :D Edit: Including to motor.

Now that I think about, the irregularites are more towards the use of -ist with more modern terms. But that one is understandable.
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 02:37:24 pm »
We don't call him skxawng because he's clever with the language....

 ;D

lol up yours ;D

Also I had the notion that perhaps -tu is similar to -ru and-ur, in that perhaps -tu is used when the last letter in a word is a vowel, instead of consonant.

hopefully we'll have clarification soon
« Last Edit: February 01, 2010, 02:55:09 pm by Skxawng »


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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2010, 03:55:44 pm »
Taronyu - hunter
Tsamsiyu - warrior

One follows a consonant the other a vowel.
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2010, 04:47:49 pm »
Been in communication with Pawl myself, I figured I'd add these to this area.

Quote from: Pawl
Law lu oeru fwa nga mì reltseo nolume nìtxan!

fwa = fì'u a


New Vocab:

Fwa = That Which


Rutxe, awngur wìntu sìknongit tsa'lì'uyä san« fwa »sìk mìlì'olo hu aylì'u alahe sì tìralpeng.

   tKNg: San« Oe *pxiset new ivomum *terifwa nga trram ftxamey »sìkìri eyawr lu ke srak?

   e.g: Is "I want to know *right-now *about-that-which (="what") you selected yesterday" correct or not?

IRAYO!

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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2010, 04:59:51 pm »
Been in communication with Pawl myself, I figured I'd add these to this area.

Quote from: Pawl
Law lu oeru fwa nga mì reltseo nolume nìtxan!

fwa = fì'u a


New Vocab:

Fwa = That Which


Rutxe, awngur wìntuknongit tsa'lì'uyä san« fwa »sìk mìlì'olo hu aylì'u alahe sì tìralpeng.

   tKNg: San« Oe *pxiset new ivomum *terifwa nga trram ftxamey »sìkìri eyawr lu ke srak?

   e.g: Is "I want to know *right-now *about-that-which (="what") you selected yesterday" correct or not?

IRAYO!


Oel tse'eia, fa oeyä nari ahì'i, me-t(x)aypot! :)
I spy, with my little eye, some typos!

Anyway - yeah it'd be nice if we had some more examples.. or should I say, exaples? exmples? xD
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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2010, 08:40:14 pm »
Rutxe, awngur wìntu sìknongit tsa'lì'uyä san« fwa »sìk mìlì'olo hu aylì'u alahe sì tìralpeng.

   tKNg: San« Oe *pxiset new ivomum *terifwa nga trram ftxamey »sìkìri eyawr lu ke srak?

   e.g: Is "I want to know *right-now *about-that-which (="what") you selected yesterday" correct or not?

IRAYO!


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Re: Art related Vocab
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2010, 09:56:50 pm »
Canonificationized! http://wiki.learnnavi.org/index.php?title=Canon#Art-related_Vocabulary

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