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A new word for dictionary?
« on: February 01, 2010, 08:10:38 pm »
Kaltxì ma smuk.

tsawlapxangrr = tall large root.

if,
tsawl = tall
apxa = large

so,
ngrr = root?

any critics?
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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 08:14:52 pm »
Words sometimes get clipped when they are put into compounds.  Ngrr might be good, but it could be missing some parts, too.
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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2010, 04:25:23 am »
I was thinking about that as well the last time I went through the dictionary, ma Utrayä, and discarded the idea for the same reason that William gave.

But I don't know. Ask Taronyu, he's the Master of the Diction-ized Words ;) Derivations can always be marked by *
If people take it as a given is their choice.

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2010, 06:17:51 am »
But I don't know. Ask Taronyu, he's the Master of the Diction-ized Words ;) Derivations can always be marked by *
If people take it as a given is their choice.

No need to ask. I've added it. Can't believe I missed that, myself.

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2010, 10:06:22 am »
Can't believe I missed that, myself.

Thats because you are a human lol :D
There are almost 700 words in the dictionary and its quite normal u missed it.
Thank you for your doing this, im glad if i did a good thing to help people who works in this Na´vi growing thing for us.

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2010, 03:05:52 pm »
Could also be angrr or engrr or ängrr.
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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 08:07:00 am »
Kaltxì, ma smukan sì smuke, ulte Eywa ayngahu !

I was wondering how the word "iknimaya", which is composed of the word "ik" that means "heaven, sky or mountain", could be analysed. In fact, in Taronyu dictionary's (which is my new Na'vi bible ^^),  we have :

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*ik: [ik^] D n. heaven, sky, mountain derived
from ik-ni-maya stairway to heaven and
ikran walks the sky

Iknimaya: [iknimaja] C;S prop.n. Stairway to
Heaven, the rite of passage for young Na’vi

So "ik-ni-maya" could be translate as "stairway to heaven/sky/mountain". Moreover, in http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Iknimaya , they say that "iknimaya" means "path to heaven".
Then, could "ik-ni-maya" be constructed of :

ik = heaven, sky, mountain
ni = ne: [nE] S prep. to, towards
maya = path

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 10:45:07 am »
In Taronyu dictionary's, some "tì–" noun deriving affix are included, like tìpawm or tìspxin. Why not adding tìsteftxaw, from steftxaw ?

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 12:44:19 pm »
ik = heaven, sky, mountain
ni = ne: [nE] S prep. to, towards
maya = path

Maybe -ni is the post-positional allomorph of ne, AFAIK the only examples of ne we have attested are prepositional ones.
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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 02:08:55 pm »
ik = heaven, sky, mountain
ni = ne: [nE] S prep. to, towards
maya = path

Maybe -ni is the post-positional allomorph of ne, AFAIK the only examples of ne we have attested are prepositional ones.

It would have to be for that word. We have terìran ayoe ayngane "we are walking your way".

Where do we attest to ne as a prep?
« Last Edit: February 07, 2010, 02:10:30 pm by roger »

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 02:23:42 pm »
When did we get that phrase.

Having looked through the corpus we don't have any attested examples of -ne- anywhere.  :-[
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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 02:26:09 pm »
When did we get that phrase.

From the ASG — the Hunt Song.
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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 02:27:24 pm »
Ok, that would explain why it's not in the corpus despite being known to be correct. (copyright right?)
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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 02:47:24 pm »
Kaltxì, ma smukan sì smuke, ulte Eywa ayngahu !

I was wondering how the word "iknimaya", which is composed of the word "ik" that means "heaven, sky or mountain", could be analysed. In fact, in Taronyu dictionary's (which is my new Na'vi bible ^^),  we have :

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*ik: [ik^] D n. heaven, sky, mountain derived
from ik-ni-maya stairway to heaven and
ikran walks the sky

Iknimaya: [iknimaja] C;S prop.n. Stairway to
Heaven, the rite of passage for young Na’vi

So "ik-ni-maya" could be translate as "stairway to heaven/sky/mountain". Moreover, in http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Iknimaya , they say that "iknimaya" means "path to heaven".
Then, could "ik-ni-maya" be constructed of :

ik = heaven, sky, mountain
ni = ne: [nE] S prep. to, towards
maya = path

Due to the nature of ni, it's hard to tell whether it actually out to be ne. I've thought about it, but decided not to include it in my dictionary.

This has been brought up before, on the original Frommer's blog post.

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 03:50:22 pm »
Ayngeyä tì’eynga tìpawmìri ayngaru seiyi oe irayo ! (I hope that's correct  :) )

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Re: A new word for dictionary?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 05:32:00 pm »
Kaltxì ma smuk.

tsawlapxangrr = tall large root.

if,
tsawl = tall
apxa = large

so,
ngrr = root?

any critics?


I think that ngrr could easily be the root of "root" or even the whole word. Hard to say. The similarity with prrnen ("infant") and prrnesyul ("bud" of a plant) is one of the factors that leads me to think it likely. But, I'm not sure, of course.  ;)

 

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