"Capturing Avatar"

[wm.annis]

Yet another bit of Na'vi from the documentary stuff.  This time, from the "Capturing Avatar" stuff on the 3rd DVD.  28 minutes in, we get another screen shot of some Na'vi dialog on a page.

Fayvrrtep fìtsenge lu kxanì.  Fìpoti oel tspìyang, fte tìkenong liyevu aylaru.
These demons are forbidden here.  I will kill this one as a lesson to the others.

The translation is what's on the page.  Literally it's a bit different.  Nothing new really here, though we've not seen fìpo much used.

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

Wouldn't that be "aylaru" and "lìyevu" (with the grave ì?") Just curious.

-Txonä Rolyu

[Kemaweyan]

Wouldn't that be "aylaru"

Maybe it's just a typo?

"lìyevu" (with the grave ì?")

There is no difference

[wm.annis]

Wouldn't that be "aylaru" and "lìyevu" (with the grave ì?") Just curious.

D'oh!   Aylaru fixed.

It's hard for me to see in liyevu what the iyev/ìyev choice is.  The fake English-ese phonetics make me think it's liyevu.  But as Kemaweyan says, it's not a huge question.

[Tirea Aean]

Wouldn't that be "aylaru" and "lìyevu" (with the grave ì?") Just curious.

D'oh!   Aylaru fixed.

It's hard for me to see in liyevu what the iyev/ìyev choice is.  The fake English-ese phonetics make me think it's liyevu.  But as Kemaweyan says, it's not a huge question.

to me, it always makes sense to not use the grave i, since AFIK it is really the i from iv:

iv gets split open to put in ìy. but sometimes it is more apparently natural to pronounce the i as a ì. so really, whichever is more natural to pronounce should be the answer to which to use. they are canonized to be eqivalent.

['Oma Tirea]

Wouldn't that be "aylaru" and "lìyevu" (with the grave ì?") Just curious.

D'oh!   Aylaru fixed.

It's hard for me to see in liyevu what the iyev/ìyev choice is.  The fake English-ese phonetics make me think it's liyevu.  But as Kemaweyan says, it's not a huge question.

to me, it always makes sense to not use the grave i, since AFIK it is really the i from iv:

iv gets split open to put in ìy. but sometimes it is more apparently natural to pronounce the i as a ì. so really, whichever is more natural to pronounce should be the answer to which to use. they are canonized to be eqivalent.

It could also be possible that "ìyev" is a mere "i" laxing beofre the "y" in "iyev" for ease of pronounciation.

[Tirea Aean]

Wouldn't that be "aylaru" and "lìyevu" (with the grave ì?") Just curious.

D'oh!   Aylaru fixed.

It's hard for me to see in liyevu what the iyev/ìyev choice is.  The fake English-ese phonetics make me think it's liyevu.  But as Kemaweyan says, it's not a huge question.

to me, it always makes sense to not use the grave i, since AFIK it is really the i from iv:

iv gets split open to put in ìy. but sometimes it is more apparently natural to pronounce the i as a ì. so really, whichever is more natural to pronounce should be the answer to which to use. they are canonized to be eqivalent.

It could also be possible that "ìyev" is a mere "i" laxing beofre the "y" in "iyev" for ease of pronounciation.

it is...but i think its actually easier to say iyev sometimes. that laxing only happens when it is natural to do so. i feel sometimes getting the ì in that correctly takes too much work where the i would be easier. just me, i guess.

[Ikran Ahiyìk]

imv is from iv and am/ìm, so weather this is from iv and ay.. or ìy, iyev make more sense. And i is much more faster than ì in typing. But the problem is, we always use ìyev, and there is a word kìyevame...

[Tirea Aean]

imv is from iv and am/ìm, so weather this is from iv and ay.. or ìy, iyev make more sense. And i is much more faster than ì in typing. But the problem is, we always use ìyev, and there is a word kìyevame...

yeah...but if you have my custom Na'vi kb (cough) then it is equally as fast to type ä, ì, and a and i.

the word may be kìyevame, but very often these days, since I PRONOUNCE it more naturally as kiyevame, i tend to write it that way. and it has been clearly said, even by Paul, ages ago , that kiyevame and kìyevame are equal and interchangable as any word to contain [iyev]=[ìyev]

[Txonä Unil Stä'nìyu Rolyusì]

Cool I didn't know i'd start a whole discussion about this lol. Well now I know that <iyev> and <ìyev> are both equally acceptable and I agree that pronunciation is easier with the regular i and that the regular i makes more sense anyway. Thanks all!

-Txonä Rolyu

[Tirea Aean]

Cool I didn't know i'd start a whole discussion about this lol. Well now I know that <iyev> and <ìyev> are both equally acceptable and I agree that pronunciation is easier with the regular i and that the regular i makes more sense anyway. Thanks all!

-Txonä Rolyu

I mean there ARE times where it seems more natural to use ìyev over iyev... back on topic perhaps? Srry guys D:

[wm.annis]

Oy!  This is just an abbreviated version of what's in the BD-Live content.

[Ftiafpi]

I can't seem to find the email from Frommer, perhaps it's on my laptop, but a paraphrase from him that I remember quite well (it was one of my first emails to him) he mentioned that kìyevame is the preferred or "proper" form of that word. I'm not sure what this means for <iyev> vs <ìyev> but I wonder if it comes down to certain words will take certain forms?

If I can dig up that email I'll post it here.

[Tirea Aean]

I can't seem to find the email from Frommer, perhaps it's on my laptop, but a paraphrase from him that I remember quite well (it was one of my first emails to him) he mentioned that kìyevame is the preferred or "proper" form of that word. I'm not sure what this means for <iyev> vs <ìyev> but I wonder if it comes down to certain words will take certain forms?

If I can dig up that email I'll post it here.

its cuz kìyevame caught on so quick and spread so wide and didnt give a chance to the iyev version. thats probably not 100% thue tho.

thanks for that!

[omängum fra'uti]

It "caught on quick" because it is the only form that we have ever had from Frommer.  While he did explain how iyev became ìyev, he has never really given the "kiyevame" form.  And really it's not like it's hard to pronounce it as kìyevame, especially if you take the laxing of i->ì as almost turning into a schwa as I suspect is the intent here.  (Frommer has stated in an email to me that he thinks in unstressed syllables, ì can tend towards a schwa.)  Along with that, I imagine there is perhaps even a weakening of the y so it becomes more of a ì approximate than an i approximate.

[Tirea Aean]

It "caught on quick" because it is the only form that we have ever had from Frommer.  While he did explain how iyev became ìyev, he has never really given the "kiyevame" form.  And really it's not like it's hard to pronounce it as kìyevame, especially if you take the laxing of i->ì as almost turning into a schwa as I suspect is the intent here.  (Frommer has stated in an email to me that he thinks in unstressed syllables, ì can tend towards a schwa.)  Along with that, I imagine there is perhaps even a weakening of the y so it becomes more of a ì approximate than an i approximate.

makes sense.