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Offline roger

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ayyerik
« on: April 18, 2010, 03:49:10 pm »
Asked about the plural of yerik. Sounds as though geminate consonants are not phonetically distinctive, but that he prefers to preserve them in the orthography.

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I've gone back and forth on that one, but I ultimately decided on ayyerik. I don't think the distinction has much consequence for the spoken language--ayyerik and ayerik would sound pretty much the same--so it's really a matter of spelling conventions. I prefer ayyerik because it clearly identifies the plural marker--cf. (1) ayyerik ayawne, and (2) ayerik ayawne. (2) would be harder on readers--in the first word, they'd have to recognize the a as a truncated plural marker, while in the second, it's the "modifier a." So I prefer (1).

I assume then that ayyerik would be pronounced [a.ye.rik] rather than [ay.ye.rik] or [ay.e.rik], but that's just a guess.

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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2010, 04:02:45 pm »
Irayo, sar lì'ut a san ayyerik sìk ko! ;)
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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2010, 04:56:48 pm »
What about fay+, still fayyerik?
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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2010, 05:08:00 pm »
What about fay+, still fayyerik?

Skxakep srane, fpìl oe...
Probably yes, I think...
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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2010, 05:55:59 pm »
I assume then that ayyerik would be pronounced [a.ye.rik] rather than [ay.ye.rik] or [ay.e.rik], but that's just a guess.

 ??? Why are you assuming it will be pronounced [a.ye.rik] when Frommer did not leave the Y away? Wouldn't it then make more sense to pronounce it [ay.ye.rik] ?
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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 06:39:00 pm »
I'm not clear on that. He appears to be saying that it doesn't really make any difference, whereas in languages such as Arabic which contrast y and yy this makes a huge difference, implying that there isn't a phonemic difference in Na'vi. But if two kays or tees come together, they'd be pronounced double as in English, not reduced to one the way vowels are. So I don't know. We really only have an answer for orthography.

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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 09:46:53 pm »
It seems like a.ye and ay.e would be pronounced subtly differently in Na'vi (While ay.ye would be pronounced like ay.e) so why do you think it would be a.ye rather than ay.e?

And does this mean he's finally starting to get back to some of the piled up emails?  Perhaps we'll have an answer to the questions from the community I sent off awhile ago.
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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 11:43:19 pm »
Yes, he maintains a distinction between /ay.e/ and /a.ye/, but says there's no real difference between those and /ay.ye/. As I said, it's mostly an answer to the orthography.

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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 10:05:07 am »
Just to put another word out there: Ayyayo (birds). ;D

« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 12:39:36 pm by Swoka Swizaw »

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Re: ayyerik
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 11:16:59 am »
It seems like a.ye and ay.e would be pronounced subtly differently in Na'vi (While ay.ye would be pronounced like ay.e) so why do you think it would be a.ye rather than ay.e?

This would be my guess as well.

 

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