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Offline Skyinou

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Conceptual adjectives
« on: April 14, 2010, 05:51:03 am »
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Stresses and new adjectives:

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kangay - valid
keltsun - impossible
kxuke - safe
lehawng excessive
lekin - necessary
sìlronsem - clever, smart (for a thing)
stxong - strange, unfamiliar, unknown
syen - last, final
rusey - alive, living, living thing (can be a noun too)

I personnaly love stxong, it's so... stxong.  ;D
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 06:25:32 am »
Irayo, ma tsmuk ;)
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 06:40:18 am »
Useful words. Thanks for sharing :)

But, could someone give me an example of rusey being a noun? I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of how that would work.

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 06:41:54 am »
But, could someone give me an example of rusey being a noun?

Nì'aw rusey tsun pivlltxe.
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 08:17:57 am »
Kay, I think I get it. Pretty simple. Irayo for that :)

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 08:27:42 am »
Nì'aw rusey tsun pivlltxe.

*hangham* fì’u lu tìkenong asìltsan ;)

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kxuke - safe

Thanks so much for sharing!

I like this one – goes with the examples of fuke and luke but the first (oe fpìl) one with a noun (no harm => ›unharmed‹? = safe)
Do you happen to know the stress for this one?
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 08:28:57 am »
Irayo ma ’eylan talun mekre mipa aylì’uä.

Can you confirm kxuke?
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 09:48:11 am »
Woot! So many new words, can't keep up! Fì'u lu txantsan!

I too love stxawng stxong, it is a strange word.
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 11:13:41 am »
I too love stxawng stxong, it is a strange word.

You are right...something about stxong does LOOK odd.

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 11:52:20 am »
Sadely, I don't have the stresses for kxuke and syen yet. :'(
I'm not yure if syen need one, but it is two syllables.
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 11:58:20 am »
Sadely, I don't have the stresses for kxuke and syen yet. :'(
I'm not yure if syen need one, but it is two syllables.

kxuke is correct, and syen is only 1 syllable.  S+y is a consonant cluster.

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 12:44:26 pm »
But, could someone give me an example of rusey being a noun? I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of how that would work.

In English, gerunds can be noun or adj ('the living and the dead', 'a living thing'), but in Na'vi they're normally only adj. This is an exception: normal for English, abnormal for Na'vi.

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 01:12:06 pm »
keltsun surprises me a little; i would have expected *ketsun--but, then again, that would get confused with ke tsun, i guess. 

I like kxuke ("no harm"), especially because it contrasts nicely with zawnong, whereas in English we generally use the same word for both concepts.

I'm a little surprised, though, at how many words are derived from affixing some variation of ke to their opposites—e.g., kerusey = "not living" (dead); keteng = "not same" (different); keyawr = "not correct" (wrong).  I would have expected all of these to be important enough to have their own words, rather than being derived this way.

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 04:12:44 pm »
I too love stxawng stxong, it is a strange word.

You are right...something about stxong does LOOK odd.

It COULD look even MORE odd if it were tstxong;)  <<< Slä tsaw mi ke lu kangaya lì'u a tsar lu ral nìNa'vi.

Quote from: Paul Frommer from Language Log
Consonant clusters. Clusters of two consonants can occur, but only in syllable-initial position and only in the following combinations:

         f,  s,  ts +  {p, t, k, px, tx, kx, m, n, ng, r, l, w, y}

There are thus 39 possible initial C-clusters, all of which are attested in the lexicon.

Or à la roger : CTXOG   :-\   <<< TSA'U STXONG LU NÌNGAY ! ! !

    CTXO  <<< TEWTI!! Tsa'u KANGAYa lì'u LU ! ! !   :o

Phrase of the day?: Tawtuteru stxonga mestxo lu taluna lu mezekwä lehawng.

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2010, 04:54:23 am »
I'm a bit confused by sìlronsem. Why would a thing have a mind? What does he mean by thing? You mean animal?

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2010, 06:23:36 am »
I think he means that an action is "sìlronsem", but there is an other word to say someone or an animal is clever.
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2010, 06:42:52 pm »
I think he means that an action is "sìlronsem", but there is an other word to say someone or an animal is clever.

I think it means "clever" in the sense of "well thought out / well designed / artful / brilliant / neat!".

  Tsaw lu sìlronsem nìngay! >>> That's really clever!

 It reflects back on the mind that was involved in thinking it up, but one wouldn't form the sentence:

  *[Nga sìlronsem lu.]

         but rather

   Ngal ngop a fì'u sìlronsem lu.

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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2010, 08:45:04 pm »
I think he means that an action is "sìlronsem", but there is an other word to say someone or an animal is clever.

Indeed; we have the word kanu
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2010, 03:50:37 pm »
keltsun surprises me a little; i would have expected *ketsun--but, then again, that would get confused with ke tsun, i guess. 

I bet it's derived from ke-lu-tsun.


I'm a bit confused by sìlronsem. Why would a thing have a mind? What does he mean by thing? You mean animal?

Yeah, as people said: "That is a clever idea" etc. I bet a good translation would be "well thought out", since that's something which in english you can't call a person, but a thing.
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Re: Conceptual adjectives
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2010, 06:51:01 pm »
keltsun surprises me a little; i would have expected *ketsun--but, then again, that would get confused with ke tsun, i guess. 

I bet it's derived from ke-lu-tsun.

"Is not able."  ...sounds good.

 

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