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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2010, 02:37:40 pm »
now i can finally mkae my name in na'vi XD
well the meaning of my name though XD
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2010, 02:42:57 pm »
now i can finally mkae my name in na'vi XD
Hahaha... the stupid thing is that this has only just occurred to me... and my forum name is a flippin' number. :D

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2010, 02:49:35 pm »
now i can finally mkae my name in na'vi XD
Hahaha... the stupid thing is that this has only just occurred to me... and my forum name is a flippin' number. :D
fail XD
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2010, 02:50:51 pm »
now i can finally mkae my name in na'vi XD
Hahaha... the stupid thing is that this has only just occurred to me... and my forum name is a flippin' number. :D
fail XD
EPIC FAIL.

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2010, 02:54:17 pm »
now i can finally mkae my name in na'vi XD
Hahaha... the stupid thing is that this has only just occurred to me... and my forum name is a flippin' number. :D
fail XD
EPIC FAIL.
that's a better way to put it XD
so back to topic i guess.. XD...
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2010, 03:03:34 pm »
Interesting, this is another example of the survival guide being rushed methinks. We have canon sources telling use that they have four digits on each hand and foot, the guide must be wrong again or else Frommer misunderstood when he was asked for a number for sixteen, he assumed they meant octal sixteen when they actually meant decimal.

Well, actually that would be a logical mistake you make when you first-encounter a new civilisation, since vofu is litterally 1 - 6.
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2010, 03:36:59 pm »
The problem is that vofu isn't one-six, it's eight plus six. If they knew what the largest number the na'vi knew was, they'd know it first as mevol and then it would take them some time to realise it was decimal sixteen.
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2010, 04:30:19 pm »
The problem is that vofu isn't one-six, it's eight plus six. If they knew what the largest number the na'vi knew was, they'd know it first as mevol and then it would take them some time to realise it was decimal sixteen.

Well, since they don't write numbers, you are probably right.  :o
But I think it can be a natural mistake. If you don't know about octal and don't think about it, you will just take "vol" as beeing ten, since it is the first "two digit" number/word.
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2010, 04:38:40 pm »
For anyone wondering what the stress for all of these is, I went through and figured it out according to Frommer's guidelines. Look in Appendix A of the Dictionary.

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2010, 09:43:08 pm »
Finally! That's such great news! One more step toward Pandora :P
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2010, 09:50:50 pm »
For anyone wondering what the stress for all of these is, I went through and figured it out according to Frommer's guidelines. Look in Appendix A of the Dictionary.

Fantastico, your link and the dictionary version are more aligned now.

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2010, 09:52:19 pm »
Ok, so for those of us who don't understand octal, can you explain in simple terms? I don't understand how numbers are combined.

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2010, 09:57:53 pm »
Ok, so for those of us who don't understand octal, can you explain in simple terms? I don't understand how numbers are combined.

Octal is a numbering system which use 8 units to represent the numbers, like decimal which use 10 or binary which use 2. In binary you would count 0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101... In octal you count like this: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20...

So, if you want to do a simple sum: 4 + 5 in decimal give you 9, in octal it give you 11.

That's basically it!
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2010, 10:04:24 pm »
In octal (and using our numeric glyphs to explain), you'd count this way:

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, ...

That is, the tens place is added to for every eight numbers in the ones place. In more mathematical terms, whereas in decimal we multiply each digit by 10 multiple times as the digit gets further to the left, in octal we multiple by 8.

332_octal = 3*(8^2) + 3*(8^1) + 2(8^0) = 3*64 + 3*8 + 2 = 210_decimal

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2010, 10:07:38 pm »
Ok, so for those of us who don't understand octal, can you explain in simple terms? I don't understand how numbers are combined.

Octal is a numbering system which use 8 units to represent the numbers, like decimal which use 10 or binary which use 2. In binary you would count 0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101... In octal you count like this: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20...

So, if you want to do a simple sum: 4 + 5 in decimal give you 9, in octal it give you 11.

That's basically it!

The easiest way to think of it is when we count in decimal form you count from 0 to 9 and then you add a 2nd number on there plus a zero (1, 2, 3....8, 9, 10). In octal you count from 0 to 7 and then you add the 2nd number, as shown above.

So, 10 in octal is 8 in decimal and 10 in decimal is 12 in octal. The key thing that confuses a lot of people here is they still represent the same number, it's just written in a different way. 50 people (in decimal) is still 50 people (in octal) it's just written/spoken in a different way. Also the math is still the same (2+2 still = 4, 10x10 still = 100) you just have to remember which system you're working in, octal or decimal. There's a bunch of handy converters online to convert from octal to decimal and vise versa.
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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2010, 10:19:09 pm »
Also the math is still the same (2+2 still = 4, 10x10 still = 100) you just have to remember which system you're working in, octal or decimal.
Careful! 4 + 5 is 11_octal, but 9_decimal. The math isn't exactly the same, you just happened to pick convenient numbers. ;)

There's a bunch of handy converters online to convert from octal to decimal and vise versa.
Or you can just use the Windows calculator in scientific mode. There's a set of switches on the left side that let you toggle hexadecimal, decimal, octal, and binary. Enter a number in octal mode and toggle to decimal mode, and it converts for you.

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2010, 10:23:51 pm »
Careful! 4 + 5 is 11_octal, but 9_decimal. The math isn't exactly the same, you just happened to pick convenient numbers. ;)

That's why I used them in my example ;)

Or you can just use the Windows calculator in scientific mode. There's a set of switches on the left side that let you toggle hexadecimal, decimal, octal, and binary. Enter a number in octal mode and toggle to decimal mode, and it converts for you.

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2010, 10:29:50 pm »
Careful! 4 + 5 is 11_octal, but 9_decimal. The math isn't exactly the same, you just happened to pick convenient numbers. ;)

That's why I used them in my example ;)

Haha, I didn't notice that you used 4+5 too! I was referring to Ftiafpi's convenient 2+2 and 10*10 though. :D

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2010, 10:39:37 pm »
Is ke'u used interchangably with zero? Or is there a more appropriate numeric form?

I was, at first, looking at ke'aw, but that looks very... colloqiual. Like you might expect to hear from some distant tribe in a small Hometree.

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Re: Email from Frommer re: Numbers (or: The full number chart!)
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2010, 05:10:10 am »
This is what I've come up with so far. If two "m" would come together I reduced them to "m".
The structure is pretty straight forward until 107 (octal) but then it gets a bit more complicated ...
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mune
pxey
tsìng
mrr
ukap
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volaw
vomun
vopey
vosìng
vomrr
vofu
vohin
mevol

mevolaw
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mevopey
mevosìng
mevomrr
mevofu
mevohin
pxevol

pxevolaw
pxevomun
pxevopey
pxevosìng
pxevomrr
pxevofu
pxevohin
tsìvol

tsìvolaw
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tsìvopey
tsìvosìng
tsìvomrr
tsìvofu
tsìvohin
mrrvol

mrrvolaw
mrrvomun
mrrvopey
mrrvosìng
mrrvomrr
mrrvofu
mrrvohin
puvol

puvolaw
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puvopey
puvosìng
puvomrr
puvofu
puvohin
kivol

kivolaw
kivomun
kivopey
kivosìng
kivomrr
kivofu
kivohin
zam

zamaw
zamun
zampey
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zamrr
zamfu
zamhin
zamvol

zamvolaw
zamvomun
zamvopey
zamvosìng
zamvomrr
zamvofu
zamvohin
zamevol

zamevolaw
zamevomun
zamevopey
zamevosìng
zamevomrr
zamevofu
zamevohin
zampxevol

mezam
mezamaw
mezamvolaw
mezamevolaw
kinzamkivohin
vozam
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2x8x8
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2x8x8+2x8+1
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