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even keng
« on: December 31, 2010, 06:18:50 am »
I've always had a minor worry about the word keng.  The only context it occurs in from Frommer is the Why is this Night translation.  Because it occurs in a sentence with ke and because of the phonetic similarity, I was a bit worried it might be another pair like ke... kaw'it.  It isn't.  It can be used in any situation where we want to prop up something unexpected (one of "even"s jobs in English).

This was my example sentence:

 Yom teylut keng oel!  Even *I* eat teylu!

Pawl said it was fine.
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Re: even keng
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 06:21:25 am »
It's great to know it for sure, thanks ma William :)
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Re: even keng
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 06:25:04 am »
Oe fperamìl fìuta t'antsan lueiu.

^That is where we would be without Annis. :D

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Re: even keng
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 06:31:15 am »
Oe fperamìl fìuta t'antsan lueiu.

^That is where we would be without Annis. :D
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Re: even keng
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 06:46:00 am »
Very interesting. So should keng always appear directly before the word we want to emphasise?

Would yom keng teylut oel mean I even eat *teylu*?
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Re: even keng
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 06:56:07 am »
Very interesting. So should keng always appear directly before the word we want to emphasise?

I don't know.  We have now exactly two sentence, one from Frommer, one he approved.  A little hard to generalize from that. 

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Would yom keng teylut oel mean I even eat *teylu*?

I would say that's a reasonable interpretation of that.

Do note that for emphasis I shunted the keng-phrase into the "punch position" at the end.  I'd sort of prefer oel yom keng teylut.  If you pull the stars off *teylu* then I have less strong feelings about where it should go in the clause.
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Re: even keng
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 07:01:23 am »
Ah yes, the "punch position". I forgot about that. :P
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Re: even keng
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2010, 09:37:56 am »
In the wiki dictionary, "didn't even try" is given as an example usage of keng. What is this example based on?
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Re: even keng
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2011, 05:23:27 pm »
Awesome!  I'd been wondering about this.  Irayo nìtxan, ma William  :)
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